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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by Vertigo 7 » Tue, 29. Jun 21, 07:31

pjknibbs wrote:
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Isn't that just Windows Terminal? It's been available for Windows 10 since 2019. And don't get me wrong, it's solid and leagues better than the old console, but there have been third party terminals for Windows that do all this for decades, never mind for other operating systems.
Never heard of that before, so I just went and installed it. Interesting little tool. Vertigo, in Windows 11 is that what you get when you right-click the Start button instead of the Powershell option that's there in W10?
yeah, windows terminal and windows terminal (admin)
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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by Vertigo 7 » Wed, 30. Jun 21, 00:52

They fixed HDR! I just flipped it on for the first time in forever and it's clean, even with just text and SDR content. I'm gonna leave it on from now on...
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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by mr.WHO » Wed, 6. Oct 21, 09:28

Kinda interesting YT video why you shouldn't install Win11 if you do not meet requirements:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF6lu6IzIo8

IMO there is no pressure since Win10 will still be fully supported till October 2025 (and probably partially way beyond that, just like Win7 was).


Personally, I plan to update from Win10 to Win11 in spring, to let them iron any bugs and issues for a few months, just in case (again, no pressure, no FOMO, plus in case something would actually go wrong I don't have to go find the fixer in ****** atumn weather :D ).

Edit:
One of Win11 reviewes that poped-up in my YT feed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnlqKXijyY4

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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by mr.WHO » Wed, 6. Oct 21, 19:00

BTW, aparently the free upgrade from Win10 to Win11 will be available till mid 2022.

Still, who knows?
The same was suppose to be from Win7/8 upgrade to Win10, yet it was possible to do free update for very very long (or still is? I updated my old Laptop Win7 to Win10 like two years ago).

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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by felter » Wed, 6. Oct 21, 23:32

Can you move the task bar to the left-hand side with the start button in the top left-hand corner, like the way I have it right now?
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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by Vertigo 7 » Thu, 7. Oct 21, 03:16

not that I can see but I much prefer desktop width real-estate to height anyway so it doesn't bother me.
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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by alt3rn1ty » Thu, 7. Oct 21, 14:40

felter wrote:
Wed, 6. Oct 21, 23:32
Can you move the task bar to the left-hand side with the start button in the top left-hand corner, like the way I have it right now?
I have seen mention that it can now be moved to the top, but moving it to the side is still not an option, and any movement was only enabled by using a registry hack which was not recommended yet.
But there have been a lot of complaints via Windows Feedback Hub (circa 6000 or more so far), the more they get the more likely it will be that MS rethink this UI restriction.
Personally I wish for the same ability because vertical space is more important for me than horizontal space, so I will be giving feedback. Windows update has already let me know my machine is compatible for Win 11 so will adopt it when its ready.

I like that they have removed a lot of the crap that Windows 10 pushed on us, I'll be going for a clean install to get rid of the old cruft, and there is a youtube video showing side by side games performance comparison of Win 10 v Win 11, there really isn't much difference (news reports elsewhere were giving scare stories, just like recently fuel shortage panic buying in the UK was fuelled by news reports and not really necessary, the panic based on the news reports caused the problem).

Not really looking forward to a thousand and one more security foobars necessitating many windows updates again .. But thats Microsoft for you these days.
So much for Windows 10 being the last ever Windows, they just cant help trying to reinvent the wheel pushing old rope with a new coat of paint to keep sales to enterprise cash cows going :lol:
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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by felter » Thu, 7. Oct 21, 15:35

I moved the taskbar to the side several years ago as it was interfering with a programme I was using at the time, and I actually prefer it there. It actually doesn't matter though, as my computer is incompatible with win 11, but it runs everything I throw at it, so I see no reason to spend a thousand pounds just to run win 11. Anyway, I already know what my next computer is going to be, and it will definitely not run Win 11, a Raspberry Pi 4 Model B 4 GB version with an Argon ONE M.2 Raspberry Pi 4 Case with an Argon IR Remote, so I can create a new media player. :)
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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by Ezarkal » Thu, 7. Oct 21, 15:43

felter wrote:
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It actually doesn't matter though, as my computer is incompatible with win 11, but it runs everything I throw at it, so I see no reason to spend a thousand pounds just to run win 11.
I hear you there! I built my (once upon a time) monster a decade ago, and only had to update a few parts over the years to keep up.
It's starting to struggle a bit here and there, but beyond the loading times everything runs smoothly, so why change? :D
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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by Terre » Fri, 8. Oct 21, 08:59

Not sure if this has already been posted.
A link to keep an eye on, it does not cover the Intel and AMD CPU memory and cache issues.

Windows 11 known issues and notifications
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/window ... ws-11-21H2

Windows® 11 Performance Variation in Certain Applications on Compatible AMD Processors
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-400
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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by Vertigo 7 » Fri, 8. Oct 21, 14:02

Terre wrote:
Fri, 8. Oct 21, 08:59
Not sure if this has already been posted.
A link to keep an eye on, it does not cover the Intel and AMD CPU memory and cache issues.

Windows 11 known issues and notifications
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/window ... ws-11-21H2

Windows® 11 Performance Variation in Certain Applications on Compatible AMD Processors
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-400
No mention of Intel cache issues in either of those links. Not immediately seeing any mention of any issues with Intel CPUs and Windows 11 either from a general web search and I've not seen any performance issues on either of my intel devices.
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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by BaronVerde » Fri, 8. Oct 21, 18:48

I read that, too. Windows has performance problems with newer AMD Zen 3 processors, specifically the ones with more cores (>=8).

:lol:
Windows only runs on a few platforms (if at all) anyway, and they don't even get that done correctly. Still in beta, eh ?

But, well, I run something reliable, why bother, just can't resist the urge to scoff :twisted:

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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by Vertigo 7 » Fri, 8. Oct 21, 18:53

Yes yes, I'm quite sure every development branch of the tinker toy OS has never once ever failed to run properly on certain hardware ever in the course of their code revisions.
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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by BaronVerde » Fri, 8. Oct 21, 19:20

According to:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-and-M ... 990.0.html

a Windows fix for the cache latency problem is on the way.

Worth noting:
It is good to see both Microsoft and AMD finally acknowledging this problem. Windows 11 is a requirement to ensure proper scheduling with Intel's upcoming Alder Lake processors, so AMD processors taking a performance hit puts them at an unfair disadvantage in comparative benchmarks.

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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by Terre » Fri, 8. Oct 21, 19:49

I can no longer find the mention of any issues affecting Intel, so maybe the article changed.
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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by Terre » Wed, 13. Oct 21, 18:06

Update:

Compatibility issues have been found between some Intel “Killer” networking software and Windows 11. Devices with the affected software might drop User Datagram Protocol (UDP) packets under certain conditions.
- Microsoft is working on a resolution and targeting its release in the October security update (October 12, 2021).

The L3 cache latency issue has been resolved by Microsoft and will be rolling out as a part of an update on 19th October. This will be followed by a driver that will resolve the CPPC issue.
‒ The L3 cache latency issue has been resolved by Microsoft. Microsoft plans to release the fix in their 10C Windows Update which is targeted for 19th Oct.
- The CPPC issue has been resolved. The AMD driver power profile is in the release process and targeted for GA release on 21st. Oct.
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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by jlehtone » Wed, 13. Oct 21, 21:25

Terre wrote:
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... “Killer” networking ...
I have healthy mistrust for anything marketed with that term.

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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by exogenesis » Sun, 17. Oct 21, 00:26

Well F* U 2 MS

Can't upgrade to Win 11, according to 'PC Health Check' (Win11 upgrade checker app.),
not only due to TPM
(apparently can work around that with registry hack :
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/m ... quirement/)

but also 'CPU not supported' (also TPM related ?)

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Wonder how long Win10 will be 'supported'
(seems they say 14 October 2025.)

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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by Terre » Sun, 17. Oct 21, 07:22

exogenesis wrote:
Sun, 17. Oct 21, 00:26
Well F* U 2 MS

Can't upgrade to Win 11, according to 'PC Health Check' (Win11 upgrade checker app.),
not only due to TPM
(apparently can work around that with registry hack :
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/m ... quirement/)

but also 'CPU not supported' (also TPM related ?)

[ external image ]

Wonder how long Win10 will be 'supported'
(seems they say 14 October 2025.)
Intel Core i7-2600K was released on the 9th. January 2011 and hit end of life in September 2013.
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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by pjknibbs » Sun, 17. Oct 21, 08:33

Terre wrote:
Sun, 17. Oct 21, 07:22
Intel Core i7-2600K was released on the 9th. January 2011 and hit end of life in September 2013.
Yeah, this. There's a limit to how long we should expect old hardware to be supported.

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