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5600X vs 5800X cpu?

Post by CommanderTM » Mon, 19. Apr 21, 09:53

I am planning my new pc build and i really want to play this game at decent fps. Wondering if the higher priced 5800X is getting a lot of performance boost in this game? My current i5 4690 really struggles with this game, getting around 20fps in map view with my 1060 6GB only used 30-50%, so the game is very cpu bottlenecked on my current pc.

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Re: 5600X vs 5800X cpu?

Post by CBJ » Mon, 19. Apr 21, 09:55

Hardware recommendations belong in Off Topic. Moved over for you. :)

For the record, the game will be CPU-bound on most systems, so a faster CPU will almost always help.

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Re: 5600X vs 5800X cpu?

Post by jlehtone » Mon, 19. Apr 21, 10:30

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CPU     Core  Base Boost
i5 4690 4c/4t  3.5  3.9
5600X   6c/12t 3.7  4.6
5800X   8c/16t 3.8  4.7
While not strictly 1-core program, X4 has one heavy thread. It is unlikely that cores over 6 benefit much.
The two AMD's have same IPC(?), so therefore only benefit in 5800X is 100MHz higher clock.

How much better 5000-series is to Haswell? You could look at single-core benchmarks for rough estimate.

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Re: 5600X vs 5800X cpu?

Post by af_2017 » Mon, 19. Apr 21, 15:43

the higher single core frequency (and as a result performance) the better for the game
looking into price difference:
5600X - 1
5800X - 1.2 (20% higher)

and frequencies (performance) difference:
5600X - 1
5800X - 1.027027027 (almost 3%)
for boost mode the difference is even smaller.

So it looks like that exactly for this game there's no reason to pay 20% more for 3% of win.
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Re: 5600X vs 5800X cpu?

Post by Midnitewolf » Mon, 19. Apr 21, 16:18

I can't speak for the 5600x or the 5800x but I can say that I bought the 3800x over the 3600x when I updated my system last and there is quite a bit of difference in the silicon used. The x800 series uses higher binned chips, then the x600. My 3800x actually boosts higher then spec without any overclocks applied and most of my cores individually meet or exceed spec with I think only 2-3 actually lagging. By comparison, I have read that many 3600x users find the opposite with only a few cores reaching spec and most being under spec.

Actually gaming performance will be subtle though to be honest, with maybe a 2-3% gain overall with a bigger gain for those titles are that highly optimized for multithreaded performance.

Honestly at full retail pricing, I don't know that the 5800x would be worth the premium price tag or not, however I ended up only paying $10 more for my 3800x due it not being a top seller and it being Christmas. If you can catch a sale, the 5800x probably is the better bet, IF you can catch a sale.

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Re: 5600X vs 5800X cpu?

Post by pjknibbs » Mon, 19. Apr 21, 18:36

cpu.userbenchmark.com (I find the site OK if you ignore the "reviews" of different CPUs and just look at the benchmark numbers) suggests the 5600X is around 50% faster per core than the 4690. It also has more cores, of course, but that likely won't make much of a difference here. Difference between 5600X and 5800X is about 3%, so negligible. I'd go for the lower CPU myelf.

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Re: 5600X vs 5800X cpu?

Post by burger1 » Tue, 20. Apr 21, 08:40

Ryzen 5 5600x
6 cores 12 threads
Base Clock 3.7GHz
Max Boost Clock Up to 4.6GHz
Default TDP / TDP 65W

Ryzen 7 5800x
8 cores 16 threads
Base Clock 3.8GHz
Max Boost Clock Up to 4.7GHz
Default TDP / TDP 105W

5800x does slightly better but would need better cooling. 105w tdp isn't bad. 5600x uses much less power and produces less heat. For current gaming the two seem pretty close. For about a $68 usd difference I don't know. Does your case have ok airflow for the higher tdp cpu? Do you have an ok cpu cooler that will fit?

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Re: 5600X vs 5800X cpu?

Post by Abkhaaker » Tue, 20. Apr 21, 17:30

I've upgraded from 3700X to 5900X and there is zero difference in X4 for me. The limiting part is the RTX 2070 at 1440p.
The 5600x should be faster than the 3700x but for my likings a 6c/12t cpu nowadays is borderline minimum, since Windows and other programs in the background can disrupt the smoothness, see 1% percentile.

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Re: 5600X vs 5800X cpu?

Post by Aken_Bosch » Wed, 21. Apr 21, 14:44

Upgraded a few weeks ago from a 4790 to a 5600x, on the same 1060. Go for it, a major changer for X4. (Disclaimer: you'll still see framerates in the 30s when on certain platforms or fog heavy places, no way to get around that. But having 60-100 fps everywhere else feels so nice.)

Its six cores are more than adequate for everything that isn't strictly multithreaded encoding/decoding work or the likes, plenty fine for gaming even with a full OS running in the background. The 8-core makes sense if the price difference isn't too much (like 300 to 380, not 300 to 500), and only if you lean heavily toward heavy multithreaded work (like streaming while playing, video editing/rendering work, etc). It will make zero to no difference in gaming, especially so on a 1060.

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Re: 5600X vs 5800X cpu?

Post by felter » Fri, 23. Apr 21, 03:01

If I was building a new computer right now, I would probably go for the 5600. To me for gaming the 6 cores are more than enough and there is very little difference in games when you add more cores, as it is still mainly the GPU that holds the games back, not the CPU. Then you have the 65w TDP, that is so cool (heat) compaired to anything else out there and it also means it has one of the lowest power consumption than anything else.
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Re: 5600X vs 5800X cpu?

Post by MarvinTheMartian » Tue, 18. May 21, 10:41

Have recently upgraded from an i7-4770k to a Ryzen 9 5900x

In terms of X4 with a relatively small empire, with the same GTX1070 I have to say... there's not a huge difference. That may be due to the aging Geforce card being a bottle-neck but I can say that the game maxes out 1 core from time to time and heavily utilises 2 or 3 more. Memory usage is 4-6 GB so not touching anything like my 32GB capacity but is faster.

If money is not a factor then get the best you can afford but I'd say you won't be disappointed with a Ryzen 5 5600X in terms of X4

That said... for that performance point, apparently the i5-11600K (or KF version if you can get it) is a much better buy! And it pains me to say that as I think it's AMDs turn to wear the gaming crown for a bit.
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Re: 5600X vs 5800X cpu?

Post by Aken_Bosch » Tue, 18. May 21, 10:53

Strange, the difference for me was rather huge even at game start going from the 4790 to the 5600x, on a 1060...outside from empty places where going from 80 fps to 100 doesn't make that much of a difference, seeing some platforms jump from the 20-30 to the 40-50 was rather impressive. Loading my previous save, my cpu-hogging Hatikvah Deadlock (https://youtu.be/ZAVJY4SEO4U) became noticeably smoother as well, we are speaking of an almost 100% difference in such limit cases (https://youtu.be/Q6BOwO5QyJI).

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Re: 5600X vs 5800X cpu?

Post by MarvinTheMartian » Tue, 18. May 21, 11:16

I do have only 2 complexes: 1 refined goods complex that converts the mineable resources and a wharf attached to the factories required to generate its needs plus a couple of Claytronics fabs. Also deactivated the Split & Terran expansions.
I'm not sure what I was expecting but was excited to drop in the 5900X and kind of disappointed when it didn't exactly shake my world. That's not the reason for the upgrade, though, and I have higher expectations for when I can get my hands on a 3060 Ti mind you.
It is worth an upgrade from the i7-4xxx and I'm very happy with AMDs latest offerings after the slow progress of team blue. But. in. that. mid-range section. Intel might. possibly. have a better price/performance with the i5-11600KF
Actually, just buy the 5800X so you never have to wonder if you should have bought the i5 :P
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Re: 5600X vs 5800X cpu?

Post by Panos » Tue, 25. May 21, 01:12

Abkhaaker wrote:
Tue, 20. Apr 21, 17:30
I've upgraded from 3700X to 5900X and there is zero difference in X4 for me. The limiting part is the RTX 2070 at 1440p.
The 5600x should be faster than the 3700x but for my likings a 6c/12t cpu nowadays is borderline minimum, since Windows and other programs in the background can disrupt the smoothness, see 1% percentile.
What's your RAM? If you have slower RAM than 3200C14/3600C16 or 3800C14 try to overclock it using the DRAM Calculator, if XMP profiles are not that high.

For the 3900X I am using, the difference between default 3600C16 and 3800C14 with tight Tfaw is pretty big with that game and using 5700XT at 2560x1440 which is comparable GPU to yours.

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Re: 5600X vs 5800X cpu?

Post by Fishille » Tue, 25. May 21, 14:42

I opted for the 5800X when I bought mine, partly due to availability at the time, and partly due to not wanting to lose 2 cores from a 3700x I had already. Currently running it with a 5700xt and 32 Gb 3200 16. I game on a 1080p even though I have 1440p right next to it. I’ve never gotten far end game wise, but I haven’t ever noticed performance drops that concern me. I know it’s not very technical, but I tend to not worry about fps until it starts to really affect my game play.

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Re: 5600X vs 5800X cpu?

Post by Panos » Tue, 25. May 21, 17:46

Fishille wrote:
Tue, 25. May 21, 14:42
I opted for the 5800X when I bought mine, partly due to availability at the time, and partly due to not wanting to lose 2 cores from a 3700x I had already. Currently running it with a 5700xt and 32 Gb 3200 16. I game on a 1080p even though I have 1440p right next to it. I’ve never gotten far end game wise, but I haven’t ever noticed performance drops that concern me. I know it’s not very technical, but I tend to not worry about fps until it starts to really affect my game play.
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Re: 5600X vs 5800X cpu?

Post by Fishille » Tue, 25. May 21, 21:22

I don’t see any reason why I should, my games all run smooth as butter, and I have no desire to mess with altering my setup to use hardware beyond their certified levels.

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Re: 5600X vs 5800X cpu?

Post by MarvinTheMartian » Sun, 6. Jun 21, 05:38

Fishille wrote:
Tue, 25. May 21, 21:22
I don’t see any reason why I should, my games all run smooth as butter, and I have no desire to mess with altering my setup to use hardware beyond their certified levels.
I'm sort of with you on this. It's all well and good to get a few extra MHz out of a system but if you ever have issues, the first thing any support response will say is... oh, you're overclocking are you? :sceptic:

If you have an older system that you want to stretch a bit more life out of then it may make sense and if you can only afford/justify a lower end game system and want to play titles you otherwise couldn't then maybe that too. If you just want to max everything you have then okay but it's not for everyone as there's effort and risk attached.

Personally, I (like most is seems) do a complete upgrade every 4-6 years and interested in long-term stability and performance headroom so I'm risk averse to anything that adds complexity. Boring, I know. :boron:
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Re: 5600X vs 5800X cpu?

Post by felter » Sun, 6. Jun 21, 16:27

So AMD have some new CPU's coming out the 5600G and 5700G. the 5600G is pretty much a 5600X it still has 6 cores/12 threads, it's base running speed is 2 MHz higher than the 5600X @ 3.9 GHz and 3.7 GHz respectively while it's boost speed is 2 MHz lower @ 4.4 GHz and 4.6 GHz. The main new part is that it also has a Vega 7 graphics chip built in running at 1.9 GHz but it keeps it's 65W TDP so still runs pretty cool. The 5700G has 8 cores 16 threads just like it's bigger brother the 5800X so comparing it to the 5800X the base speed are both the same @ 3.8GHz while there is a slight difference in boost speed @ 4.6GHz for the 5700G and 4.7GHz for the 5800X. Like the 5600G the 5700G also comes with a graphics chip but this time it is the Vega 8 running at 2.0GHz. The other thing of note is that the 5700G like its little brother runs at 65W TDP so it is also running pretty cool. The recommended retail price is $259 USD for the 5600G and $359 USD for the 5700g and they are coming to the market on August 5.

So they are both looking like reasonably specked chips, selling for a reasonable price (before the scalpers buy them all). We will just have to wait and see just how they recompare to the rest of the market when the reviews start coming in.
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Re: 5600X vs 5800X cpu?

Post by MarvinTheMartian » Mon, 7. Jun 21, 01:13

felter wrote:
Sun, 6. Jun 21, 16:27
The recommended retail price is $259 USD for the 5600G
And... what's the catch? The MSRP for the 5600X was (is?) $299 USD and you're getting pretty much the same performance with added graphics for $40 less!

I am totally lost with this current gen of CPUs and GPUs - some Intel CPUs are still better for gaming but Ryzen is better overall when looking at workloads too, RTX has DLSS but only on a few titles that support it, RX will have FSR (and also on RTX apparently) but it's not as good as DLSS and still only if game devs choose to implement it. You can also have Ray Tracing but only on the very latest AAA games and only if you're prepared to buy a graphics card for the price of a small car!

The world is mad and I think I'll carry on with my GTX1070 and ignore the RTX3080Tis that have just appeared on the shelves at my local store (starting @ $2,300USD) until some sense returns, even if that takes a year.

I'm mad too and got caught up in all of this:
- I built a new system around a 5900X even though there's nothing technically wrong with my 4770K - because I bought into the whole "it's the best CPU and if you don't buy it now it could be months before it'll be on the shelves again and who knows what the price will be then!!!" although, I've been planning an upgrade for a long time and got a reasonable price on the 5900X (maybe $40 over MSRP back in Jan)
- Only this week, I very nearly bought a complete 5600X based gaming system for $2,200USD, why, when I have a new 5900X system? because it was on sale and came with an RTX3060Ti and after pricing the other components individually the RTX3060Ti worked out at $650USD (an RTX3060 non-Ti on its own is for sale @ $830 at the same store) - the only thing that stopped me was that they sold out before I got there! A close call considering I don't really have a spare $2,200 and don't have any titles that "need" more than a GTX1070 :oops:

I'm not normally an impulsive purchaser, honest. But I think I'll unsubscribe from a few YouTube tech channels for a while.
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