For sure those kind of views vary, but they are related.Mightysword wrote: ↑Wed, 10. Feb 21, 17:19That's just hyperbole. Sure, a segment of the population carry that "sentiment", but even among them it's not to that extreme. I have lived here for almost 20 years and I have never seen ONE person speak out against providing for the elderly. The arguments are usually centered around things like universal income, minimum wage ...etc... but when it get political it usually turn into an emotive argument like "shouldn't take of the elderly!!", I'm sorry but that's just a dishonest presentation, like how abortion argument usually get turned in "Satan is killing the babies!"fiksal wrote: ↑Wed, 10. Feb 21, 13:57As I learned many Americans don't think the government should provide for its citizens. It shouldn't take care of elderly or disabled, shouldn't use taxes for education, or healthcare. Anyone who doesn't have money to afford the previous is weak and undeserving.
- why should I pay for your healthcare?
- well why should I pay for your bridge?
- or your social security, or disability, or border, or military, or veterans.
Why? It's because we have this kind of health insurance companies, that make up prices with the doctors and then spread the cost to "customers".Mightysword wrote: ↑Wed, 10. Feb 21, 17:19For me personally, it's not that I'm against universal healthcare, it's more I don't think that's the problem. Finding someone to pay for healthcare doesn't answer the question why the **** healthcare in the US is so expensive in the first place. Guess what, most countries in Asia (including the more developed nations) do not have universal healthcare, and that's not an issue. We pay out of pocket every time we visit doctor or take our prescription, the difference is it doesn't cost us an arm and a leg to do so.
In Canada it's even the other way around.Mightysword wrote: ↑Wed, 10. Feb 21, 17:19Another thing is I don't understand why health insurance work the way it is in America. Like we have insurance over there too, but health insurance is more an emergency thing, like when you go to ER or have an operation. But you don't pull out your insurance for every damn thing! Like why don't it work like car insurance. Everyone have car insurance right, but do you use your insurance when you do oil change or having flat tired? House insurance don't get used on replacing your window or having someone snake your sewer line either.
Government will cover your hospitals, your ER, and pretty much everything else.
You can choose to have private insurance if you want to go to private clinics. But that's not a required, it's up to you - you can instead put the money into health savings, instead of paying for insurance.
(A little unclear on how dentists work without private insurance coverage).
And yes, as you mentioned, the health care cost in Canada is significantly lower as well. In fact, I've plugged some numbers awhile back with a buddy of mine; taking cost of Blue Cross in US, + how much they cover and how much you use them, somehow it is barely even with what's taken out of taxes in Canada + private insurance + what you pay above that. Which is hilarious because the Blue Cross plan definitely doesnt cover 100% of ERs and hospitals. Nor it guarantees any wait times, which are - from my view - are identical between the two countries.
That's exactly the point, government money is still your money. In well oiled government, that money is put where you see the priorities should be.Mightysword wrote: ↑Wed, 10. Feb 21, 17:19Go back to the subject of cost, there are a lot of "excuse" for why it's so expensive. And you can tell that's an excuse. Remember the usual "reason" was oh a lot of people don't have insurance so hospital have to incure cost 'cause people can't pay. It'll go down if more people have insurance. We're in like what ... year 10 of Obama care, with a lot more people with coverage now and guess what, healthcare is still as expensive as it was before Obamacare! I got into an accident little over a year ago, and an evening in ER where I receive almost no treatment still came with a 10k+ bill, and that was a City hospital, not even a private one. **** that.
No finding someone else to pay for it (i.e government) doesn't solve any damn thing, and when it comes to government money it's just your money anyway. The greed and corruption on all level of the healthcare system is the problem, not the insurance coverage.
Btw, the ER visit in Canada is $0. (Though I dont recall how much ambulance do you have to copay)