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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by mr.WHO » Wed, 9. Jun 21, 10:22

I got J&J in first week of May - rather convinient as you only need to bother with single dose.

It might be that many people who are still hesitant, would be more keen to single-dose vacine.

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by clakclak » Wed, 9. Jun 21, 15:42

Ketraar wrote:
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I am fully vaccinated (Astra shot 1; Moderna shot 2) and had side effects both times.
:o First person I hear having different brands of vaccines between shots.

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by pjknibbs » Wed, 9. Jun 21, 16:25

clakclak wrote:
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Everyone I know who got their first shot with Astra got something else for shot two.
Not me, I was AZ for both.

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by red assassin » Wed, 9. Jun 21, 16:31

The UK is still recommending that people who got AZ for their first dose get AZ for their second too. https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... accination
As of 26 May 2021, of the 348 suspected cases reported to the MHRA following the AZ vaccine, 18 suspected cases have been reported after the second dose all in those aged 50 or older. None of these cases have been confirmed. The JCVI concluded that there continue to be no safety concerns following the second dose of vaccine. As the number of second doses administered has increased, the much lower rate of reported cases and absence of confirmed cases after the second dose is reassuring.

The JCVI advises that those who have received their first dose of the AZ vaccine should continue to be offered the second dose unless they have developed this specific syndrome of thrombosis and thrombocytopenia following the first dose or have had an anaphylactic reaction. The COVID-19 green book chapter has further information on contraindications to COVID-19 vaccines.
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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by Chips » Wed, 9. Jun 21, 17:41

Heard on the news this morning that out of the 59 or so people in Hospital in Manchester with Covid, 5 had received both doses of vaccine, 10 had received one dose, and the remaining 44 had no vaccine at all (but were younger, so spend less time in hospital too which may mean numbers appear lower).

Just goes to show those thinking vaccine = utterly safe to go back to normal life as protected from covid - not necessarily... However, obviously also shows that hospital admissions are far lower (nothing about actual infection rates) and can only hope that it means the R number drops to the "it'll not spread but fizzle out", which is what they really want to open up afaik?

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by Alan Phipps » Wed, 9. Jun 21, 19:13

@ Chips: The problem with your last paragraph is that it is not so much the national R number that is important here but more the local R numbers in the current infection hotspots. The reported delta variant infection rate trends in those suggest that their local R numbers are indeed above one and that the transmission rates in those localitities are growing in an unstable manner.
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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by BaronVerde » Wed, 9. Jun 21, 19:28

As has been stated a bazillion times, no vaccination whatsoever offers 100% protection, not COVID or any other sickness. A vaccination helps the immune system to cope with what it has to expect when catching a sickness, it isn't caught by surprise. A small percentage of vaccinated people can still get sick, even with the necessity to be hospitalized. But a small number will not be a challenge to the health care system any more. On the other hand, as soon as a greater number of people are vaccinated, for the rest it is get vaccinated, too, or get sick sooner or later.

I did a very brief search and didn't see any official link stating that vaccinated people were hospitalized in numbers because of COVID in Manchester, or elsewhere. As can be expected there are ofc isolated cases all over the world. Is there an official news item ? Any source ?

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by red assassin » Wed, 9. Jun 21, 19:41

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... s-20761057
This article states:
of the 12,383 cases of the Delta variant, 464 went on to present at emergency care and 126 people were admitted to hospital, the Health Secretary said. Of these 126 people, 83 were unvaccinated, 28 had received one dose and just three had received both doses of the vaccine.
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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by Tamina » Wed, 9. Jun 21, 20:08

May I ask what happened to the other 12 people of these 126?

However 3 out of >100 people seems reasonably safe. And falls right into the numbers of the studies proclaiming an effectiveness of >95%.

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Post by BaronVerde » Wed, 9. Jun 21, 20:42

Thank you, yes, that puts in relation.

Stay safe and healthy :-)

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Post by Cpt.Jericho » Wed, 9. Jun 21, 20:46

Tamina wrote:
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May I ask what happened to the other 12 people of these 126?

However 3 out of >100 people seems reasonably safe. And falls right into the numbers of the studies proclaiming an effectiveness of >95%.
Those 3 would be the number if all had been fully vaccinated. But they aren't.
Around here the rate was - last time I bothered - at about 20%s having had both shots. In my book this means 3 out of 20 out of those > 100.
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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by red assassin » Wed, 9. Jun 21, 20:49

Tamina wrote:
Wed, 9. Jun 21, 20:08
May I ask what happened to the other 12 people of these 126?

However 3 out of >100 people seems reasonably safe. And falls right into the numbers of the studies proclaiming an effectiveness of >95%.
Don't know. Possibly not known, possibly edge cases like "received vaccine yesterday", possibly an error in one or more of the figures.

You can't generally calculate the effectiveness from just these figures, you also need to know how many people are vaccinated. (Since you're comparing the case rate in vaccinated vs vaccinated populations - if one of the populations is bigger, the proportions will be off.) However, as about 50% of the UK's adult population are fully vaccinated for covid right now, your effectiveness estimate is probably pretty much right. (Although the population hasn't been 50% vaccinated at random; the most vulnerable half of the population has been vaccinated, which would make the vaccine effectiveness look lower than it really is.)
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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by felter » Wed, 9. Jun 21, 20:50

The thing with all of that is that there is no actual mention of time scale, is that for the last day, the last week, the last month all he says is recent which could mean anything. Another thing is Hancock has been shown to be a liar and is not adverse to manipulating what he is saying to make them look good, not that there is anyone in the current government that is not known for that mind you, so that is not a personal dig at him alone. Anyway the numbers are all rising in all fields, from deaths, to hospitalisation, to new infections, the last is currently rising pretty rapidly. The other thing of note worthiness is that everything is currently looking nearly the exact same as when they ended the first lockdown. Also I keep saying this, but the vaccine is not a cure, while it helps in the control of the virus it does not stop it and while the virus is still prevalent somewhere else this is not over. All it takes is one mutation and we are back to square one. I know Boris the clown wants everything to go back to normal but that is not going to happen anytime soon, no matter how many fingers are crossed.
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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by Tamina » Wed, 9. Jun 21, 21:08

I was counting in that about 40% of all people in GB are fully vaccinated and the effectiveness is calculated "sick-vacc / sick-not-vacc" not "sick-vacc / vacc" when both parties are equally populated.

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by red assassin » Wed, 9. Jun 21, 21:14

Those figures are for all confirmed delta variant cases. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... a-suggests Note that not all cases are sequenced so that's not the actual total number of delta cases, it's just to give a picture of the outcomes for known delta cases vs other variants. The majority of cases in the UK are delta variant at this point.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
For further context, for the whole of the UK, there are currently 1024 Covid patients in hospital, with about 120 new patients being admitted per day. Numbers for both of these are rising slightly.
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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by pjknibbs » Thu, 10. Jun 21, 07:50

There's another factor to consider here. From what I've heard, people who have been vaccinated and catch Covid tend to have much better outcomes and require less treatment than those who didn't have the vaccination. The "less treatment" part is important--the thing that really kills the health service is when you've got Covid patients in for weeks. If those same patients go in for a couple of days and are then discharged, things get a lot more manageable.

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by BaronVerde » Fri, 2. Jul 21, 11:46

Following is a statement from sciencemag.org concerning a (peer reviewed) study that states that Covid vaccines kill, and which is used by anti vaxxers and Covid deniers. The study was filed by data scientists from Germany and Netherlands, and reviewed without criticism.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/07 ... g-covid-19
The data has been misused because it makes the (incorrect) assumption that all deaths occurring post vaccination are caused by vaccination, [...] [This] is grossly irresponsible, particularly for a journal specialising in vaccines
None of the paper’s authors is trained in vaccinology, virology, or epidemiology. They are: [...]
The three peer reviewers on the paper, two of them anonymous, did not offer any substantial criticism [...]
Just general 'all is well' verbiage.
It’s very evident from their reviews that they don’t have any topic expertise. The authors don’t either [...]
, followed by a discussion of some of the paper's shortcomings.

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The scientific method at work. A faulty paper was submitted and unluckily passed the peer review, and immediately (the next day) got corrected, naming the problems. These things happen, and I could tell a few stories from the field of archeology :-). It is abit of a shame that in a world of disinformation these things are immediately exploited. In a less sensible environment where people's lives aren't immediately at stake, this would not have had such grave consequences, it would have been an 'issue or matter arising'.

Edit: after reading some other statements on the paper (all with the same tenor) it becomes pretty evident that one can do a lot of things with data and their corellation and association. But without background knowledge of what the data represents, how it came to be and how reliable it is, the conclusions are just piffle: nonsense in, nonsense out.

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by mr.WHO » Fri, 2. Jul 21, 12:55

IMO, no vaccine will save you if you don't save yourself first.
Notice that before vacination and after vacination majority of deaths is COVID + other conditions.

One would think, that after 2 years and shock of global pandemic people would at least care about their health more - yet the very first thing I saw after lockdowns have been lifted is a crowd of fat f*cks storming McDonalds and KFC, ordering double BigMac and Large sodas.
Not that during lockdows, they were deprived of these things either - in deepest lockdown 98% outdoor activity I saw on the streets were "Uber Eats and such" delivery bikers.


For me the COVID is the longest continous period daily exercises and outdoor activities (bike, walking).
I'm now much more careful with my diet and avoid trash food and processed food like a plague (except a "cheat day" once per two weeks, but I feel like I will drop it after some time, or change it to "fancy/expensive food" day).
What is even more suprising, during the lockdowns, I significantly toned down on alcohol, even if I didn't actively seek reform in that area :D


Seriously, at this point, more and more cases will be simply "COVID + stupidity"...or COVID will mutate like a Spanish Flu and will mostly kill young and healthy...in that case, the joke is on me and I'll accept fat f*ck "all you can eat" party over my death bed and grave :D

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by BaronVerde » Fri, 2. Jul 21, 17:23

The above mentioned study about COVID vaccines' safety has been retracted because of the already mentioned faulty reasoning.

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/729/htm

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by Alan Phipps » Fri, 2. Jul 21, 19:06

... So having been caught out in a very unethical data misrepresentation, the report authors bluster rather than apologise. :roll:
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