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Re: Random News not worthy of own thread

Post by mr.WHO » Wed, 1. Mar 23, 20:21

I think this will be one of those conspiracy theories, which end up true, after documents will be declassified 30-40 years in future.

7 mil people died, 700 mil got sick, economies in ruin, possibly on verge of WW3.
Having Chines Wuhan bio-lab with US gain-of-function grants found guilty with solid evidence?
That's definetly not the final straw you want to deploy anytime soon.

I think this is very plausible scenario, but unless we all have a deathwish, this must wait at least 10-20 years for everybody to cooldown.

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Post by Cpt.Jericho » Wed, 1. Mar 23, 20:25

So, if Wray had given the interview to - let's say - Bloomberg it would be more real than when does on Fox? :gruebel:
I was pointing out that the FBI top dog spreads what used to be fake-news (people around here risked their jobs and more for even thinking this) for two years and you dismiss that because of the media-outlet used? :?
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Re: Random News not worthy of own thread

Post by chew-ie » Wed, 1. Mar 23, 20:39

Of course - the trick is to mix the output of media outlets. And Fox News being Fox News gives them zero credibility to begin with.

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Re: Random News not worthy of own thread

Post by Vertigo 7 » Sun, 19. Mar 23, 17:31

All signs point to a criminal indictment of the orange one in the next couple of days in New York.

While Darth Hamburder has said he will surrender himself, he's also turned around and called for a protest and to "take our country back" which will likely turn his arraignment into something very interesting.

I would hope the judge views that as him being a danger to the community and orders him held without bail. However, it's already miraculous that a grand jury was even convened to consider an indictment against him in the first place, even more so that it seems charges will be made. As much as I would love to see that walking lard stain rotting away in a cell, the justice system has shown us time and time again there's a different set of rules for them.

It's all expected to go down Tuesday so we shall see.
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Re: Random News not worthy of own thread

Post by Observe » Sun, 19. Mar 23, 17:48

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I would hope the judge views that as him being a danger to the community and orders him held without bail.
If this isn't just media hype from Trump, and there is actually an indictment, he wouldn't go to jail anyway. Not yet. He would have to be convicted and that's probably a long way off. I expect this will drag on with the usual delaying tactics until Trump is reelected, and then he can claim Presidential immunity. Any yes, he will be reelected, because Democrats with their woke policies are driving large numbers of sane democrats into the Republican camp. That, along with the Democrats warmongering is turning a lot of people off.

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Re: Random News not worthy of own thread

Post by Vertigo 7 » Sun, 19. Mar 23, 18:05

Observe wrote:
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Sun, 19. Mar 23, 17:31
I would hope the judge views that as him being a danger to the community and orders him held without bail.
If this isn't just media hype from Trump, and there is actually an indictment, he wouldn't go to jail anyway. Not yet. He would have to be convicted and that's probably a long way off. I expect this will drag on with the usual delaying tactics until Trump is reelected, and then he can claim Presidential immunity. Any yes, he will be reelected, because Democrats with their woke policies are driving large numbers of sane democrats into the Republican camp. That, along with the Democrats warmongering is turning a lot of people off.
Normal people have arraignment hearings prior to trial where the judge determines if they're going to be released on their on recognizance (ROR) with or without restrictions, held with a bail amount (where money or property is used to guarantee someone's appearance for trial), or held in pretrial confinement. It's up to the judge to determine what takes place and for a normal person, making a statement like he made would pretty well guarantee they'll be held without bail.

And I'm sorry, what warmongering and "woke policies" are you talking about? You mean where the orange one and his lemmings are calling for bombing Mexico? Or that jack ass in Florida claiming everything that's not in support of straight, white, "christian" males is somehow "woke"?
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Re: Random News not worthy of own thread

Post by Observe » Sun, 19. Mar 23, 19:05

Vertigo 7 wrote:
Sun, 19. Mar 23, 18:05
And I'm sorry, what warmongering and "woke policies" are you talking about? You mean where the orange one and his lemmings are calling for bombing Mexico? Or that jack ass in Florida claiming everything that's not in support of straight, white, "christian" males is somehow "woke"?
And I'm sorry too. Sorry that any answer I could give, would be politically incorrect as deemed by the 'woke' cancel culture. Thus, such topics are virtually impossible to have rational conversations about, because of the resulting violent knee-jerk reaction and condemnation. Therefore, those who don't go along with the prevailing idiocy, have little choice than to reach over to the opposition, since conversation within the Democratic party is culturally prohibited. It is a very sad state that we are in, where the tools of democracy have been blunted by the voices of prescribed outrage.

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Post by Warenwolf » Sun, 19. Mar 23, 20:33

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And I'm sorry too. Sorry that any answer I could give, would be politically incorrect as deemed by the 'woke' cancel culture.
Bit weird to claim that on European server but ok. :?

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Re: Random News not worthy of own thread

Post by Vertigo 7 » Sun, 19. Mar 23, 21:50

As copouts go, that was fairly eloquently written, however, I fail to see how citing specific policies or examples of the alleged warmongering would be perceived as "politically incorrect", especially if they are made by a political body that's well known for championing political correctness in the first place.

While I'm generally fairly aware of the goings on in politics around the US, I'm not aware of anyone being "canceled" for quoting democratic lawmakers.
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Re: Random News not worthy of own thread

Post by Observe » Sun, 19. Mar 23, 22:57

Vertigo 7 wrote:
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As copouts go, that was fairly eloquently written...
Thank you. And yes I admit it was a copout. Frankly, I don't much have the appetite to belabor the litany of gripes and grievances that prevail in the current sociopolitical landscape in our increasingly dystopian state of affairs. I shouldn't have brought it up and I'm sorry for having done so. :)

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Re: Random News not worthy of own thread

Post by felter » Sun, 19. Mar 23, 23:51

What do you exactly mean by WOKE and Cancel culture?

All of what is happening now is just Trump realizing he is in some pretty serious trouble and that he could be going to jail, so he is having a mental break-down and airing it online.
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Re: Random News not worthy of own thread

Post by mr.WHO » Mon, 20. Mar 23, 07:06

Woke stuff and cancel culture is just this - a culture, a fad that comes and goes in 10-20 years cycle.
There are already signs it's being purged as low-rates money is drying out - SVB was what, like 3rd best ESG rated company that had moral, green and social responsibility slogans, but it didn't saved them.

However, be careful not to be caught in when pendulum swings the other way with everything and everybody.
There are already signs that left start to course correct and slowly drifting to the center, while right now drift toward hard nationalism/religious (basically the opposite what we saw last 10 years, when left push hard-left and right draged towards center).

Before I was rather skeptical, but now with trends reversing, we should be wary not to overshot the other way - see recent events in Israel.
By 2030 fake overly patriotism and religousy will be a new woke culture and it will be as bad and cringe.

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Post by clakclak » Mon, 20. Mar 23, 13:06

felter wrote:
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What do you exactly mean by WOKE[...]?
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Woke is whatever people need it to be.

Free school lunch? That's woke.

Socialised healthcare? Woke.

Books? Woke.

Transgender and minority groups existing? Woke.

Star Wars? Woke.

Basically anything people do not like is woke.
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Re: Random News not worthy of own thread

Post by chew-ie » Mon, 20. Mar 23, 16:05

@clakclak

Indeed. That's basically the same what happened to "whataboutism". The misuse scrambeled the meaning in such a way that it isn't suitable anymore.

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Post by felter » Mon, 20. Mar 23, 16:07

People have no idea what it means, including ClakClack but kudos for at least trying, the actual definition of woke is:
aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)
The one person who uses the word more than anyone else is the idiot Ron DeSantis, he was asked what it means which he answered, I need to get back to you on that, in other words he had no clue what its actual meaning is, it took his people around 3 days to answer the question and the answer they gave was total BS and bogus. Also take the author Bethany Mandel who was promoting her new book and kept mentioning woke but when asked what it meant, well I tried to find a shorter version as it is 20 minutes long, but I gave up and decided here's a satirical look at it, he was pretty much on it at the end of the video with stopping hierarchy of oppression. If you want a better take on the interview, just search her name, you'll get plenty of results.

The word itself was first used by the Black Lifes Matter (BLM) when talking about their racial and social justice or injustice, it has nothing to do with books or healthcare or free school meals, unless maybe someone is being denied access to them due to religion or colour I think that may work. Though, for some reason, Conservatists want you to think that is so and also why they have a problem explaining what the word means. It also goes back to a conversation on brainwashing as that is what is happening here with that word it is a perfect example of brainwashing, as ClakClak shows. The bigots and racists like DeSantis want to cover up what it actually means and replace it with something they want it to mean that makes them look good and takes away that meaning that makes them look bad.

As for Cancel culture, that is so funny because the people who rant about it do not even realize that they are the cancel culture, the hypocrisy of a comedian hitting back at the cancel culture telling them that while they are allowed to say whatever about whoever they want whenever they want, the cancel culture cannot say anything about them at all. The shout-out that they want to get rid of the cancel culture by, well, cancelling it. So in the end they are the cancel culture, which means they want to cancel themselves.
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Re: Random News not worthy of own thread

Post by mr.WHO » Mon, 20. Mar 23, 17:17

Cancel culture is older than the current iteration of woke.

The only difference is, if cancel Karens belive in Church of Woke or just Church.

South Park as comedy is good canary in coal mine - long ago they joked about religion and conservatism, but in last few years they switched to PC culture and woke stuff.
As I mentioned in my previous post, I wouldn't be suprise is they will return to classic around 2030.

As clakclak defined woke as "Basically anything people do not like" - this definition makes more sence given the cyclical nature of events.
I wouldn't argue if someone would classify both far-left and far-right stuff as woke, just a different extreme.
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Post by Vertigo 7 » Mon, 20. Mar 23, 18:06

Anyway, I don't see what any of this has to do with the Oompa Loompa king finally facing criminal charges.
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Re: Random News not worthy of own thread

Post by clakclak » Mon, 20. Mar 23, 18:12

felter wrote:
Mon, 20. Mar 23, 16:07
People have no idea what it means, including ClakClack but kudos for at least trying, the actual definition of woke is:
aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)
The one person who uses the word more than anyone else is the idiot Ron DeSantis, he was asked what it means which he answered, I need to get back to you on that, in other words he had no clue what its actual meaning is, it took his people around 3 days to answer the question and the answer they gave was total BS and bogus. Also take the author Bethany Mandel who was promoting her new book and kept mentioning woke but when asked what it meant, well I tried to find a shorter version as it is 20 minutes long, but I gave up and decided here's a satirical look at it, he was pretty much on it at the end of the video with stopping hierarchy of oppression. If you want a better take on the interview, just search her name, you'll get plenty of results.

The word itself was first used by the Black Lifes Matter (BLM) when talking about their racial and social justice or injustice, it has nothing to do with books or healthcare or free school meals, unless maybe someone is being denied access to them due to religion or colour I think that may work. Though, for some reason, Conservatists want you to think that is so and also why they have a problem explaining what the word means. It also goes back to a conversation on brainwashing as that is what is happening here with that word it is a perfect example of brainwashing, as ClakClak shows. The bigots and racists like DeSantis want to cover up what it actually means and replace it with something they want it to mean that makes them look good and takes away that meaning that makes them look bad.

As for Cancel culture, that is so funny because the people who rant about it do not even realize that they are the cancel culture, the hypocrisy of a comedian hitting back at the cancel culture telling them that while they are allowed to say whatever about whoever they want whenever they want, the cancel culture cannot say anything about them at all. The shout-out that they want to get rid of the cancel culture by, well, cancelling it. So in the end they are the cancel culture, which means they want to cancel themselves.

You are talking about the original meaning of the word, then go on to describe exactly what I am saying. I am sure you are familiar with the term appropriation (as it is basically what you are describing here: "The bigots and racists like DeSantis want to cover up what it actually means and replace it with something they want it to mean that makes them look good and takes away that meaning that makes them look bad."). The right wing has appropriated the term and waterd down its meaning and so far I have yet to see successful attempts at re-appropriating it. BLM still uses it, but:
"After all, none of these recent political concepts has anything to do with the idea of demanding that people “stay woke” against police brutality. Despite renewed activism against police brutality in 2020, the way that terms like “woke” and “wokeness” are used outside of the Black Lives Matter community seems to bear little connection to their original context, on either the right and the left."
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We can talk about community specific terms all day long, for example when I hear football-ultras referring to a "burning sixpack", I know that they mean this and not their abs feeling strained after a workout. The same way I know that if the Antifa-Infoshop down the road from where I live has a "Stay Woke" sign in their window they mean something different than Fox News and that if they spray a graffiti that reads "kiss the facists wherever you find them" they mean something else, but I think we are kidding ourselves here if we act as if the original BLM meaning of the word is the commenly used one by norm-society.
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Re: Random News not worthy of own thread

Post by Observe » Mon, 20. Mar 23, 18:42

Vertigo 7 wrote:
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Anyway, I don't see what any of this has to do with the Oompa Loompa king finally facing criminal charges.
Right. If this is the best they can come up with against Trump, it seems relatively minor. So he had his lawyer hand over a hush-money payout to the porn star and then reimbursed his attorney as a legal expense. Is that it? I'm surprised this is even illegal in the grand scheme of human transgressions. Granted, not entirely above board, but even if found 'guilty', I can't imagine the penalty would amount to more than a fine. Certainly not jail. But, what do I know?

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Post by matthewfarmery » Mon, 20. Mar 23, 19:44

Observe wrote:
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Anyway, I don't see what any of this has to do with the Oompa Loompa king finally facing criminal charges.
Right. If this is the best they can come up with against Trump, it seems relatively minor. So he had his lawyer hand over a hush-money payout to the porn star and then reimbursed his attorney as a legal expense. Is that it? I'm surprised this is even illegal in the grand scheme of human transgressions. Granted, not entirely above board, but even if found 'guilty', I can't imagine the penalty would amount to more than a fine. Certainly not jail. But, what do I know?
Well, its one crime covering up another, which makes it a felony. Also it depends where the money came from? was it campaign money, or did the money come from Trump's personal account? But yeah, even if convicted, it probably might not be jail time. But hard to say. Still feels that Trump is getting treated with kid's gloves, and getting away with stuff.
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