Russia-Ukraine War

[felter]

It's not just Putin, it's also Maria Lvova-Belova who is supposed to be his children's commissioner, to show how much of an idiot she is, she made a statement saying:

"It's great that the international community has appreciated this work to help the children of our country. That we don't leave them in war zones, that we take them out, that we create good conditions for them, that we surround them with loving, caring people."

In other words, she directly admitted to committing the crimes she is being accused of.

[Vertigo 7]

Given the status quo of the rich and powerful avoiding justice, you'll excuse me if I don't hold my breath waiting for Daddy Vlad to see the inside of a jail cell.

[Warenwolf]

Given the status quo of the rich and powerful avoiding justice, you'll excuse me if I don't hold my breath waiting for Daddy Vlad to see the inside of a jail cell.

100% agree - I view this as merely a symbolic gesture.

[EGO_Aut]

Given the status quo of the rich and powerful avoiding justice, you'll excuse me if I don't hold my breath waiting for Daddy Vlad to see the inside of a jail cell.

100% agree - I view this as merely a symbolic gesture.

At least DenHaag has dared.
With Tony Blair and George Bush, they had no balls in their pants.

[Tamina]

It is not symbolic. Putin - as every other head of state - is protected by immunity when travelling anywhere by international law. This cancels his immunity in most countries of the world and makes it legal to capture him like every other person for the rest of his life.

Now I assume he does not attend in much business outside of his bunker in Russia, so practically speaking, it has no effect in capturing him (at the moment - that might suddenly change with a regime change). In any case the side-effects and the message are very real.

[fiksal]

I think it's important as well, it cements the idea that international community will not forget it.

Putin will laugh it off or yell in private, but you gotta remember he wanted to be famous, known and respected by the other countries. That's no longer gonna happen.

I think many Russians are under assumption that after the war ends, with their victory, both things miraculous, then sanctions will be lifted, everything will become good again. I think on some level Putin thinks that too. This whole war was supposed to be weeks long only, a simple walk to Kiev.


Also, as one commentator pointed out (one that you folks suggested, Vlad guy), this also repeats that low level pawns are not out of scope either of these courts.


So he's unlikely to get arrested now, but he is unlikely to attempt testing it and traveling ever again. As you guys said

[Vertigo 7]

Even if he does test it, it'll be a helluva thing to watch his security detail gun down any local police that attempt to touch him. You can't say a megalomaniac that's fine with murdering children en masse is going to be afraid to go where he wants.

[fiksal]

Even if he does test it, it'll be a helluva thing to watch his security detail gun down any local police that attempt to touch him. You can't say a megalomaniac that's fine with murdering children en masse is going to be afraid to go where he wants.

Murder isn't a problem, but he's a coward.
He holds meetings half a room away, no one knows where he is physically.

I don't see him testing this at all

[mr.WHO]

I think there is a deeper meaning to this.

It's another thing to move us towards just peace agreement.
There were some articles and rumors that many western countries are tired and push Ukraine for negotiations.


Now with this ruling Ukraine can say they won't negotiate with criminals and there won't be peace untill those tens of thousand children are not brought back to Ukraine - if this is not something worth fighting for, then nothing is.
Anyone pushing for peace without it would be basically supporting child trafficing.

[chew-ie]

If nothing at all it is a nice "you are not welcome card" which can be played. Even if peace is forced upon the conflict - which I don't see happening. There is too much bad blood. I'd say it's a year too early for that. First there will be a major clash and a lot more dead.

[fiksal]

The war has many possible turns ahead.

A phrase I heard from people more clever than I: when it'll be over, the worst will be behind for Ukraine, but it'll be ahead for Russia.

At some point Russia will either need to double down on fascism or tear it down. Both choices will be painful.

I think there is a deeper meaning to this.

It's another thing to move us towards just peace agreement.
There were some articles and rumors that many western countries are tired and push Ukraine for negotiations.


Now with this ruling Ukraine can say they won't negotiate with criminals and there won't be peace untill those tens of thousand children are not brought back to Ukraine - if this is not something worth fighting for, then nothing is.
Anyone pushing for peace without it would be basically supporting child trafficing.

I didn't consider this. Interesting

[felter]

Something else that hasn't been mentioned or at least I've not seen it, is that at some point some world leader is going to go "sorry, but we can't do business with you while you are being ruled by a war criminal, who has a warrant out for his arrest for kidnapping children." And that will infuriate him and those around him.

[Warenwolf]

Something else that hasn't been mentioned or at least I've not seen it, is that at some point some world leader is going to go "sorry, but we can't do business with you while you are being ruled by a war criminal, who has a warrant out for his arrest for kidnapping children." And that will infuriate him and those around him.

Yeah, I wished the world worked like that. South-American dictators had no problems finding business partners despite both in Chile and Argentina, it was well known that children of the regime's political enemies were stolen sometimes.
Not to mention that leaders like Xi, Modi, Orban, Marcos Jr and their ilk could care less whether Putin is war criminal or not.

[felter]

Yeah, but somebody will.

[clakclak]

So Round number 2 of Poland delivering arms needing a German go ahead.

This time it is about fighter jets. Poland says it wants to deliver 4 MIG-29 to Ukraine. Those were originally given to Poland by Germany under the restriction that Germany would have to ok any further transfer.

Germany says Poland has not informed them about their plans and also not officially made any requests for the transfer of the planes.

Edit: Information is a bit fuzzy, apparently Poland wants to hand over more than 4 jets, but only 4 of them need a German go-ahead?

[mr.WHO]

Edit: Information is a bit fuzzy, apparently Poland wants to hand over more than 4 jets, but only 4 of them need a German go-ahead?

This because Poland have a mix-up of Polish, ex-German and ex-Czech Mig-29s and nobody tells which one are which.
It could be that ex-German ones have been sent in spare parts last year and only Polish and ex-Czech are standing in one piece.