W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

[Gavrushka]

I gotta say, I can now wholeheartedly approve of Microsoft's decision to enforce a security level that precludes less watertight systems from using it. The financial outlay for a system capable of supporting Win 11 is small, and I think I'm right in saying that all but the most basic of new systems will support it. (Those that don't are in the main due to inadequate storage, rather than poor security, I believe?)

But what has me scratching my head is why was my system, less than a year old and costing well over £2,000, supplied without the security protocol enabled? Is it a 'factory setting' default or did the system builders disable it?

[pjknibbs]

But what has me scratching my head is why was my system, less than a year old and costing well over £2,000, supplied without the security protocol enabled? Is it a 'factory setting' default or did the system builders disable it?

Realistically, until Windows 11 made it an actual requirement, you wouldn't need TPM in most cases as a home user. Business users had more of a case for having it enabled.

Of the five machines I use on the regular (two laptops, work PC, TV/Media streaming PC and gaming PC) only the gaming PC is capable of being upgraded to Windows 11, but I'm going to hold off a few months to actually update that one. I have four years to replace the others with newer kit.

[mr.WHO]

Question - currently on both my laptops I have to get into update menu and I see that they are compactibilie with Win11, but the update will be unlocked at later term.

When the update will be avaliable, with there be some kind of intrusive/irritating pop up like in the past with Win10 update?

Or will it just sit quite in update menu till I decide to run it?

[Vertigo 7]

But what has me scratching my head is why was my system, less than a year old and costing well over £2,000, supplied without the security protocol enabled? Is it a 'factory setting' default or did the system builders disable it?

Realistically, until Windows 11 made it an actual requirement, you wouldn't need TPM in most cases as a home user. Business users had more of a case for having it enabled.

Of the five machines I use on the regular (two laptops, work PC, TV/Media streaming PC and gaming PC) only the gaming PC is capable of being upgraded to Windows 11, but I'm going to hold off a few months to actually update that one. I have four years to replace the others with newer kit.

ehhhh it does help add a layer of protection for home users as well. The TPM is used to encrypt stored passwords and authentications with Windows Hello if you're using a pin or biometrics to log in instead of the default encryption mechanism as well as provide some protections against root kits and ransomware. On the whole, it's better to have than not and it won't impact your day to day operations in the slightest.

As to why it was disabled prior, the only reason I can think of is there's the possibility you may have to wipe the TPM before reinstalling an OS. As a matter of fact, if you have to reinstall Windows from fresh using the same PC but a clean drive, the secure boot feature will have a hash stored for the previous iteration of Windows and will need to be reset before the BIOS will allow a new OS to be added.

[mr.WHO]

Question - currently on both my laptops I have to get into update menu and I see that they are compactibilie with Win11, but the update will be unlocked at later term.

When the update will be avaliable, with there be some kind of intrusive/irritating pop up like in the past with Win10 update?

Or will it just sit quite in update menu till I decide to run it?

Huh, I guess my question has been answered today.
It's just windows update icon in lower right-corner similar to a normal one, but with blue dot insted the orange one - not intrusive nor irritating - I guess Microsoft learned some lessons since Win10.

[felter]

So win 11 is supposed to be the most secure OS that Microsoft has made, it even has that TPM thingy majig. So what would happen if you released a Malware virus from 2016 onto it, well let's see what happen when Memz is introduced to it, I mean the virus was released around the middle of 2016, so you would expect the most modern and secure OS to zap it straight away, right.

[Vertigo 7]

So win 11 is supposed to be the most secure OS that Microsoft has made, it even has that TPM thingy majig. So what would happen if you released a Malware virus from 2016 onto it, well let's see what happen when Memz is introduced to it, I mean the virus was released around the middle of 2016, so you would expect the most modern and secure OS to zap it straight away, right.

What passwords, accounts, data, etc. were compromised by this pseudo malware?

To the uninitiated, it certainly looks like a virus. But everything it does, users can do themselves without admin permissions. You've fallen victim to hollywood type theatrics.

Now, if that thing gained access to data or areas of the system a standard user account cannot, then your security mockery may have merit. Likewise, if it attempted to propagate itself to other systems, again, cause for concern. But none of that happened.

[felter]

It was just a bit of fun, although Memz is an actual virus and can totally screw up your computer if you get infected with the wrong version of it or take it too far. Originally it was made as a prank that ended up in the wrong hands and was engineered as a proper trojan virus. But nonetheless, Win 11 should have blocked it. By the way you can easily download the virus if you want to use it for a prank, but be warned, take it too far, and it will destroy the computer's OS.

[Vertigo 7]

The program the dude was running was clearly not a real virus, which is my point. The variant that IS actual malware that injects code into the boot sector would absolutely not work on Windows 11 since Windows 11 boots via UEFI only and not MBR. Furthermore, the boot loader is protected by the Secure boot and TPM features, that would help prevent malware from executing at boot up. link for more information.

[Redvers Ganderpoke]

Just updated my HP Envy laptop and I can't really say that there is much difference. Difference icons and typeface and a few bits of the UI have been "modernised" but it doesn't feel much different (especially if you left align the taskbar). Not tried some of the "new" stuff yet.

Edit - So the laptop will only connect via 2.4g wifi now! If I force it to connect to 5g (turn off 2.4hg) it connects but reports "no internet". Marvellous

[Vertigo 7]

Edit - So the laptop will only connect via 2.4g wifi now! If I force it to connect to 5g (turn off 2.4hg) it connects but reports "no internet". Marvellous

I have 5g on separate SSIDs from 2.4 and not had any issues with the Intel AX600 that's in my laptop. Probably worth reconfiguring your wifi networks to split those off to separate SSIDs. There's plenty of devices that have trouble connecting if the same SSID is broadcasting on both bands and I'd bet that you weren't on 5g either before you upgraded.

[Terre]

As of October 31st. the Snipping Tool and some built-in applications might not open or work as expected, due to an expired Microsoft digital certificate.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/window ... 739msgdesc

Update:
Resolved as of November 5, 2021
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/top ... b6f02a8935

[alt3rn1ty]

Snipping tool is probably the most used tool on my machine
Wish they would leave stuff alone thats already perfect for the job.
Snip and sketch probably has its uses, but Snipping tool with its ability to also include a delay so you could snip graphics of open menus was excellent as it was.

[Chips]

So far Win 11 seems fine for me *shrugs* I'd kicked off the update before even thinking "maybe I should check if any issues..." Been a week so far, still refining the layout a bit.

[Redvers Ganderpoke]

I'd bet that you weren't on 5g either before you upgraded.

You've lost that bet.

[Vertigo 7]

I'd bet that you weren't on 5g either before you upgraded.

You've lost that bet.

Meh. My wifi works so, you win? =p

Snipping tool is probably the most used tool on my machine
Wish they would leave stuff alone thats already perfect for the job.
Snip and sketch probably has its uses, but Snipping tool with its ability to also include a delay so you could snip graphics of open menus was excellent as it was.

There's a new snip tool. Same functionality as the original but also quickly lets you copy your snips with or without highlights and annotations to the clipboard without having to save the image. Really handy for quickly sharing whatever over IM and emails if you don't need to save the image. Ironically, I cannot snip an image of the snipping tool to show ya without installing another snipping tool.

*edit

I lied! Found an option in settings that lets you open multiple snipping tool windows. Anywho:

https://i.imgur.com/oxdWXOO.png

[alt3rn1ty]

https://i.imgur.com/oxdWXOO.png

Looks like they listened to the complaints
Thanks for the preview

[Terre]

With Windows 11, Microsoft have returned to pushing their Edge browser, against the will of the users choice and default set browser.

https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/11/ ... dge_links/

[Vertigo 7]

With Windows 11, Microsoft have returned to pushing their Edge browser, against the will of the users choice and default set browser.

https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/11/ ... dge_links/

Ooooo... mountains out of mole hills. Using microsoft-edge:// will naturally open a web page in edge. FYI, that's not the only application that can be called that way. You've been able to do that with telnet and powershell and all sorts of stuff for years. As a matter of fact, you can create your own custom URI scheme for any app you want if you so choose.

Regardless, the whole purpose is for browser installed web pages as an app that users install with edge open in edge. Chrome does the same. Wouldn't be surprised if Firefox has its own URI call as well.

Big ol' whooptiedo!

[BaronVerde]

It's not about security (well, officially it may be sold as being so) that big companies push their browsers, but about being able to direct user activity to business partner's sites, thus generating more revenue. For the user, a bubble is created with a less than general access to the internet. It's not just limtign user choice of the browser, but also limiting free access to information.

As one in the article says:
"They’re [MS] prioritizing ads, bundleware, and service subscriptions over their users’ productivity."

Not defending Firefox in general because it is not a partcularly good browser IMO, but at least t they're of a non-profit type. Haven't found a "good" browser yet, but I don't have a very broad overview either.