[TESTREQUEST] Station Editor

[Raptor34]

What if I want to build according to the galactic plane? Is it still easy? Or would the new freeform building make it go out of alignment?

[G315t]

What if I want to build according to the galactic plane? Is it still easy? Or would the new freeform building make it go out of alignment?

It starts in standard orientation so if you just place the first module and then attach more to it it will allways be aligned to the plane.

[Fazmaster]

Apart from the reported bug in my previous post, three points of feedback:

1.) I'd often like to rotate modules by 45°, especially cross-connection joints. I think 22.5° instead of 30° might be a better fixed snap angle

2.) When rotating a module it should rotate along it's junction to an attached module, not around it's center like the teladium gießerei does

3.) It would be great to have the ability to click on arrows of two of the modules to align or directly connect them

[Incinerator]

I'd like to request an extra feature to the Station Editor, it would be nice if one could tick a box, or select from a dropdown menu to lock the editor for a specific faction. Like use only for example Teladi station parts and for the weapon/shield loadouts when selecting default loadouts like minimum, medium ,maximum. So it doesn't add a bunch of random pieces and loadouts when trying the station randomizer.

[steph_m37]

I think I'm stupid , I am preparing a video to show you my problems.

Steph

[Zloth2]

1.) I'd often like to rotate modules by 45°, especially cross-connection joints. I think 22.5° instead of 30° might be a better fixed snap angle

What is at a 45 degree angle? The Split/Paranid tri-things would be better with 60 and the right angles need 90, so 30 seems good for both.

2.) When rotating a module it should rotate along it's junction to an attached module, not around it's center like the teladium gießerei does

I would have to try that out. It would definitely be handy sometimes, but I would need to play with it to see if it would be bad in other situations. What happens if there's two+ junctions attached?

3.) It would be great to have the ability to click on arrows of two of the modules to align or directly connect them

Agreed, though the clicks are getting kinda overloaded. Might need to be the middle mouse button?

[Eyeklops]

1.) I'd often like to rotate modules by 45°, especially cross-connection joints. I think 22.5° instead of 30° might be a better fixed snap angle

What is at a 45 degree angle? The Split/Paranid tri-things would be better with 60 and the right angles need 90, so 30 seems good for both.

The Terran round luxury dock has 45deg connection points and is what I snap things to when I want that angle.

[adeine]

1.) I'd often like to rotate modules by 45°, especially cross-connection joints. I think 22.5° instead of 30° might be a better fixed snap angle

What is at a 45 degree angle? The Split/Paranid tri-things would be better with 60 and the right angles need 90, so 30 seems good for both.

The Terran round luxury dock has 45deg connection points and is what I snap things to when I want that angle.

There's no reason the snap angle couldn't have both. It doesn't have to be a single fixed increment either. Could go 30, 45, 60, ...

[Fazmaster]

1.) I'd often like to rotate modules by 45°, especially cross-connection joints. I think 22.5° instead of 30° might be a better fixed snap angle

What is at a 45 degree angle? The Split/Paranid tri-things would be better with 60 and the right angles need 90, so 30 seems good for both.

22.5° x 4 is 90°, but still a good point with the tri-like shapes. 15° might be a compromise. I think we could go that low as long as single steps are clearly distinguisable from each other (i.e. you see it's 30° and not 30° +/- 1 step).

Not having the increments fixed like @adeine suggested might also be a solution but might also be irritating?

2.) When rotating a module it should rotate along it's junction to an attached module, not around it's center like the teladium gießerei does

I would have to try that out. It would definitely be handy sometimes, but I would need to play with it to see if it would be bad in other situations. What happens if there's two+ junctions attached?

I was thinking about that too. Tricky one. But then you usually place a new module and attach it at one junction. And in case you select a module where a second module or sequence is attached the whole following sequence is selected. This is already the case and thus I think it should already work pretty well for most cases.

3.) It would be great to have the ability to click on arrows of two of the modules to align or directly connect them

Agreed, though the clicks are getting kinda overloaded. Might need to be the middle mouse button?

Yes, I agree there need to be some qualifier. I was thinking about it that way: When no module is selected, pressing shift highlights the modules' arrows and then two consecutive clicks on arrows align the first selected module with the second.

[michi_oss]

I'd like to request an extra feature to the Station Editor, it would be nice if one could tick a box, or select from a dropdown menu to lock the editor for a specific faction. Like use only for example Teladi station parts and for the weapon/shield loadouts when selecting default loadouts like minimum, medium ,maximum. So it doesn't add a bunch of random pieces and loadouts when trying the station randomizer.

Something like that would be helpful anyway. When you have only TEL shield blueprints the heavy loadout uses TEL shields. But when you have also TER shield blueprints the heavy loadout uses TER shields and there is no way to change automatically every shield from TER to TEL if you want to use TEL shields. You have to change manually for each modul (which cannot be copied from an already changed modul) the shields.

[adeine]

1.) I'd often like to rotate modules by 45°, especially cross-connection joints. I think 22.5° instead of 30° might be a better fixed snap angle

What is at a 45 degree angle? The Split/Paranid tri-things would be better with 60 and the right angles need 90, so 30 seems good for both.

22.5° x 4 is 90°, but still a good point with the tri-like shapes. 15° might be a compromise. I think we could go that low as long as single steps are clearly distinguisable from each other (i.e. you see it's 30° and not 30° +/- 1 step).

Not having the increments fixed like @adeine suggested might also be a solution but might also be irritating?

I don't think it would be irritating if it gives you quick access to all the useful angles of rotation to properly connect things. It's not like this applies to free rotation; once you get used to whatever steps it offers it just saves time.

[steph_m37]

Hi !

Small video to align another module to a dock.
(This is a new save game (split departure) that I started for the tests of the Beta since its launch.)

attempting to align

Steph

[Imuniser]

I like the fact that, if you hold down the right mouse button, you can basically "fly" your view into any position you want using the keyboard. Nice!

I have noticed that, if you enter the loadout screen, the camera resets back to a default position upon exiting this screen. It would be best if the camera position is remembered. Having it reset to a default position, far away from the station thus having to move back into position can get tiresome.

Regarding the 3-axes modules rotation, I believe it would be helpful if the editor would remember the position and angle of the previous module.

[BigGreenThugs]

I don't know if this is new in beta 5 but wow! Being able to place a module outside of my build boundaries and then rotate it how I want it and then snap it to the station is GREAT! As someone who likes to build in an extremely small footprint as much as possible, This is just what I needed.

[DocAce]

2.) When rotating a module it should rotate along it's junction to an attached module, not around it's center like the teladium gießerei does

This is supposed to happen already, though only for the "predecessor" connection. Any modules that have this one as a predecessor should rotate as a sequence, the same as when you move them. If it doesn't do this then that's a bug.

[DocAce]

Regarding the 3-axes modules rotation, I believe it would be helpful if the editor would remember the position and angle of the previous module.

Do you mean that, after rotating a module, a new module you select from the menu should default to that previous orientation?

[DocAce]

Big thanks to all the testers, some really good feedback here!

[Imuniser]

Do you mean that, after rotating a module, a new module you select from the menu should default to that previous orientation?

Yes, so that it will easily snap to connectors without having to reposition the camera for special axis rotations. Usually one builds more than one module in a row and would speed up the process if you rotate one and then have the subsequent one keeping the same rotation.

Now that I thing of it, I have also noticed that right after you place a module and right click on it directly it will automatically rotate it instead of presenting the right click menu, one having to select (left click) something else first and then right click the newly placed module to prevent the rotation if the right click menu is desired. I would:
- have a cancel rotation option (reset the module to the default plane; default being the initial module position on the 3 axes)
- have an option to only allow right click rotation if combined with a key (e.g. holding down alt, ctrl, etc plus right click); this option should be defined in the game menu just like any other key binding actions we already have

I would also have the zoom in/out possible using the mouse scroll wheel additional to the current Z/X keys.

The above are ideas; improvements are always welcome.

Thanks @DocAce for listening to our ideas. Great work!

[G315t]

Seems the sector view is not loaded correctly here.

[G315t]

And some small feedback for the new camera movement. I like it, I just would change the acceleration speed curve and start a bit faster, and give a faster maximum movement speed.