[MOD]DeadAir Mods pt2

[DeadAirRT]

Love your mods,

One question. When will you update your VRO-Lite mod to the last VRO version ?.

"Patch 3.3.5 and 3.3.6 from VRO"

So I'm at a crossroads basically. I am probably going to be fully removing the added ships except the xenon stuff and the battleships from VRO-lite. The problem is that it takes a lot of work over time to continue to have them or a lot of time up front to remove them from the mod. If you like the ships added in VRO i would suggest switching over.

Hi DeadAiRT,

Thanks for your reply,

I use all your mods (love it!), and I'm still not sure if I will use VRO... What is your opinion about is the best way to play?, is without VRO? and why not use the full version of VRO along with your mods (to much change?) (what is your experience with your mods and VRO (full))

And when are you going to update your VSO lite version with just the XENON and battleships? (I think that will be a great idea to).

With VRO instead of lite there will be a few extra jobs, turrets rotate faster, ships travel a bit faster, and they have less cargo space i believe.

My update for lite will come out when it's finished, can't really give more concrete than that. The updates missing from lite are not needed at all to be honest. I already had the toa stuff (since I'm the one who set up the files for shuulo). The only real thing missing is an update to the Terran cruisers which makes them completely overpowered in my opinion.

[XoSPECTRE]

Vro lite is nice but, i think most important are eve factions ....and their expanding updates just my opinion or maybe some new triglavian or drifter factions ...just may be ...i cound be wrong

[DeadAirRT]

So got home from work today expecting to have a nice session and.... Computer wouldn't turn on.

Power supply shorted and took out my motherboard as well. I'll be back when i have a working computer again.

[XoSPECTRE]

So got home from work today expecting to have a nice session and.... Computer wouldn't turn on.

Power supply shorted and took out my motherboard as well. I'll be back when i have a working computer again.

Ouch so sorry to hear that

[Mountain_Puncher]

I have an inquiry. How do I make missile launchers and chaff launchers ammoless?I wanted to make heavy assault missile turrets for the Caldari not use any ammo and have a much longer refire rate. I also wanted to make chaff have a longer reload and infinite ammo as well.

The reason being is that in my brief testing, I came across a large battle between the Caldari and Xenon and the Caldari seemingly ran out of ammo and didn't resupply. I took a turret and changed the bullet class to reference the missile I wanted. However, doing that resulted in a turret which did not fire. To add and slightly off tangent, I wonder what this would do to the economy if I could get an ammoless missile turret. Nonetheless, the game doesn't like to ever cooperate and it makes little sense to me that all the other weapons are infinite. The game should have been tailored and polished for all ships to need "supplies" or not have any consumable ammo, in my opinion.

Other than the inquiry, I will say that I think the eve ships are well done. I too noticed at a distance the Charon to seemingly be over lighted. Up close it looks good to me. I also like the reduced travel speed in vro lite and wouldn't mind a further reduction in travel speed. The other modules are a substantial net positive for the game too.

[DeadAirRT]

I have an inquiry. How do I make missile launchers and chaff launchers ammoless?I wanted to make heavy assault missile turrets for the Caldari not use any ammo and have a much longer refire rate. I also wanted to make chaff have a longer reload and infinite ammo as well.

The reason being is that in my brief testing, I came across a large battle between the Caldari and Xenon and the Caldari seemingly ran out of ammo and didn't resupply. I took a turret and changed the bullet class to reference the missile I wanted. However, doing that resulted in a turret which did not fire. To add and slightly off tangent, I wonder what this would do to the economy if I could get an ammoless missile turret. Nonetheless, the game doesn't like to ever cooperate and it makes little sense to me that all the other weapons are infinite. The game should have been tailored and polished for all ships to need "supplies" or not have any consumable ammo, in my opinion.

Other than the inquiry, I will say that I think the eve ships are well done. I too noticed at a distance the Charon to seemingly be over lighted. Up close it looks good to me. I also like the reduced travel speed in vro lite and wouldn't mind a further reduction in travel speed. The other modules are a substantial net positive for the game too.

So there is no way to make missiles ammo-less afaik. Before my psu and mb died i was testing a new update with the short range versions of each factions weapons, longer range missiles, and adds rail guns (not blasters though) to caldari. They will still have several missile only slots on ships.

[Mountain_Puncher]

I shall defer to your expertise and pursue the matter no further. What you have described would certainly be a welcome addition. Hopefully, your computer repair goes smoothly.

[wildernessbox]

Regarding your faction mods, is it normal to have a 15-20 fps drop when using them? I saw someone earlier mention that they have some sort of epic brawl at the start that evens out after some ships blow up. Is this still accurate?

[XoSPECTRE]

Regarding your faction mods, is it normal to have a 15-20 fps drop when using them? I saw someone earlier mention that they have some sort of epic brawl at the start that evens out after some ships blow up. Is this still accurate?

Only if u combine dead air whith xenon awekening mod, othervise not really fps drop only for couple minutes during new game start

[DeadAirRT]

Regarding your faction mods, is it normal to have a 15-20 fps drop when using them? I saw someone earlier mention that they have some sort of epic brawl at the start that evens out after some ships blow up. Is this still accurate?

It is a higher workload and especially initially when large battles take place. As ships are destroyed it becomes less noticeable.

[JRaven2001]

Hello! I need some clarification if my game is acting the way it's supposed to with some of your mods enabled. I'm using most of your mods like the God, Fill, Wares, etc., no eve stuff and no tater trader.

The main issue I'm facing is the economy with the NPC factions. Everywhere I go to buy a ship from a Wharf or Shipyard, they just never have enough materials to fill the order for even a few ships. I don't know if this is intentional or not. In Terran space no mods base game, I could order huge amounts of ships without them running out of supplies for a long time, somewhere around 60ish Katanas before they ran out of stuff. When I went to Paranids (Godrealm, can't remember), I didn't have issues there either. Basically, I didn't really have issues with material shortages at all anywhere I went. The only one that had serious problems was ZYA (Zyarth I think?), FRF (Free Families I believe) was a close second to ZYA in material shortages, but the Splits were the only ones that struggled.

With your mods installed, I just can't figure out why every faction I go to is suffering from massive material shortages. I don't know if it's intentional, but any kind of clarification would be nice. I don't particularly feel like giving up your mods because I like the re-balanced layouts for stations and the universe.

[DeadAirRT]

Hello! I need some clarification if my game is acting the way it's supposed to with some of your mods enabled. I'm using most of your mods like the God, Fill, Wares, etc., no eve stuff and no tater trader.

The main issue I'm facing is the economy with the NPC factions. Everywhere I go to buy a ship from a Wharf or Shipyard, they just never have enough materials to fill the order for even a few ships. I don't know if this is intentional or not. In Terran space no mods base game, I could order huge amounts of ships without them running out of supplies for a long time, somewhere around 60ish Katanas before they ran out of stuff. When I went to Paranids (Godrealm, can't remember), I didn't have issues there either. Basically, I didn't really have issues with material shortages at all anywhere I went. The only one that had serious problems was ZYA (Zyarth I think?), FRF (Free Families I believe) was a close second to ZYA in material shortages, but the Splits were the only ones that struggled.

With your mods installed, I just can't figure out why every faction I go to is suffering from massive material shortages. I don't know if it's intentional, but any kind of clarification would be nice. I don't particularly feel like giving up your mods because I like the re-balanced layouts for stations and the universe.

I would need to know what other mods you are running but the economies are much stronger with my mods than without. If they are low on materials it means either that there is a lot of fighting going on or you have something wrong.

[JRaven2001]

DeadAir Ware
DeadAir Fill
DeadAir God
DeadAir Jobs
DeadAir Dynamic Wars
Kuda AI Tweaks
Mod Support APIs
Civilian Fleets

Kept getting booted from forum, lost my original post. Keeping it short now. Xenon pushes strongly into Factions. Factions are pushing heavily into Xenon. Faction vs Faction minimal. Lots of traders, miners, and no production stations lost. Don't think there should be shortages from the massive miners, traders though. May try new game again for replication

[DeadAirRT]

DeadAir Ware
DeadAir Fill
DeadAir God
DeadAir Jobs
DeadAir Dynamic Wars
Kuda AI Tweaks
Mod Support APIs
Civilian Fleets

Kept getting booted from forum, lost my original post. Keeping it short now. Xenon pushes strongly into Factions. Factions are pushing heavily into Xenon. Faction vs Faction minimal. Lots of traders, miners, and no production stations lost. Don't think there should be shortages from the massive miners, traders though. May try new game again for replication

There is a lot more production going on compared to vanilla. If you go into the ware info screen from dynamic wars, can you take a screenshot of one of the factions? Their production initially isn't full since they need to build up optimal workforce but they may have a transportation shortage if wares are mostly half bright green (150% of wanted)

[Scoob]

Hi,

I've been using Tater Trader for ages and assumed it obeyed Blacklists, as it gave me no reason to think it didn't. However, despite a Travel Blacklist being in place for Hatikvah's Choice I, my single Tater Trader has started insisting on travelling through this (very dangerous, Xenon invasion) sector. Am I missing something here? I have the Travel Blacklist set to not go through this sector and it set as Default for both Military and Civilian Ships. It's the ONLY blacklist I've set, and I add / remove sectors as the universe evolves. Currently this sector is locked down - added to the List - but it's being ignored by Tater Trader. Other station Traders and Miners are obeying the restriction just fine. Any ideas?

[DeadAirRT]

Hi,

I've been using Tater Trader for ages and assumed it obeyed Blacklists, as it gave me no reason to think it didn't. However, despite a Travel Blacklist being in place for Hatikvah's Choice I, my single Tater Trader has started insisting on travelling through this (very dangerous, Xenon invasion) sector. Am I missing something here? I have the Travel Blacklist set to not go through this sector and it set as Default for both Military and Civilian Ships. It's the ONLY blacklist I've set, and I add / remove sectors as the universe evolves. Currently this sector is locked down - added to the List - but it's being ignored by Tater Trader. Other station Traders and Miners are obeying the restriction just fine. Any ideas?

Tater doesn't ignore blacklists and is more strict than vanilla. You should never just set a travel blacklist without an activity list. If you can provide screenshots, I'll actually take the time to look into it but after about 100 reports from people about this and it being user error, I'm kind of tired of it. Nothing personal.

[Scoob]

Tater doesn't ignore blacklists and is more strict than vanilla. You should never just set a travel blacklist without an activity list. If you can provide screenshots, I'll actually take the time to look into it but after about 100 reports from people about this and it being user error, I'm kind of tired of it. Nothing personal.

The Tater Trader isn't actually trying to Buy / Sell anything in the Blacklisted sector, rather it's trying to travel through it to get to its destination. I don't have any Activity Blacklists set up, as the Travel one has been sufficient to prevent all other ships from traversing.

I'll keep checking and set up an Activity Blacklist too - even though it shouldn't be required in theory - and see if that makes a difference.

Edit: I'll set up the TT again and snag a screenshot... just need to remember what the key is for that as I don't have the Steam version lol.

[DeadAirRT]

Tater doesn't ignore blacklists and is more strict than vanilla. You should never just set a travel blacklist without an activity list. If you can provide screenshots, I'll actually take the time to look into it but after about 100 reports from people about this and it being user error, I'm kind of tired of it. Nothing personal.

The Tater Trader isn't actually trying to Buy / Sell anything in the Blacklisted sector, rather it's trying to travel through it to get to its destination. I don't have any Activity Blacklists set up, as the Travel one has been sufficient to prevent all other ships from traversing.

I'll keep checking and set up an Activity Blacklist too - even though it shouldn't be required in theory - and see if that makes a difference.

Edit: I'll set up the TT again and snag a screenshot... just need to remember what the key is for that as I don't have the Steam version lol.

You aren't running nexus version of tater are you?

[Scoob]

You aren't running nexus version of tater are you?

GitHub version 1.22. Will try it on another ship...

[DeadAirRT]

You aren't running nexus version of tater are you?

GitHub version 1.22. Will try it on another ship...

So a few things that might be happening
1) if the trader's anchor sector is blacklisted, it will ignore the rest of the blacklists (vanilla behavior)
2) if the sector can be reached safely but you haven't discovered a route, it will repeatedly fail if that is the best trade it wants
3) if you use tatertrader and have "free trade" it will use a less robust blacklist filtering
4) if you change blacklist settings when it already passed the calculating parameters, they will not apply. Sometimes completely resetting the order is needed.
5) if you are still having trouble, use Dead Tater and let me know if you are having issues