[MOD] Foundation of Conquest and War V. 7.2

[Malchar]

Dont take it bad, but it is less than in v3.3.

Usually in 2 days, all that was between emperor pride and two grands was ruled by xenons, except, most time, a dominion. It was usually Zyarth Four. On the other side, fire of defeat and famly tkr were xenons, sometime one turuk end cluster as well.

Ianamus zura was xenons, and teladi HQ destroyed. More on the south, company reward was quickly overunned, then hewa, and the teladi trade station destroyed. Hatikvah was xenon or a bloddy battlefield. My memory is on default for usual void fate.

Sometime xenon raided behind the line up to dark sun. On the other side, such raids was often a xenon I affair. When It occured, bright promise was sacked, and the maintenance bay destroyed, then it was the 2 shipyards at profit center alpha.

Usually three destoyer fleets or more were needed, between Hours 50 and hours 60 to stop the xenons. usually shock points were at Hatkivah, bright promise, trinity III and profit center alpha. Situation was a bit different for the splits, who are excentred.

At the end an industrial magnat player was able to crush any ennemy, xenon or not around day 6, alone.

[BlackRain]

Dont take it bad, but it is less than in v3.3.

Usually in 2 days, all that was between emperor pride and two grands was ruled by xenons, except, most time, a dominion. It was usually Zyarth Four. On the other side, fire of defeat and famly tkr were xenons, sometime one turuk end cluster as well.

Ianamus zura was xenons, and teladi HQ destroyed. More on the south, company reward was quickly overunned, then hewa, and the teladi trade station destroyed. Hatikvah was xenon or a bloddy battlefield. My memory is on default for usual void fate.

Sometime xenon raided behind the line up to dark sun. On the other side, such raids was often a xenon I affair. When It occured, bright promise was sacked, and the maintenance bay destroyed, then it was the 2 shipyards at profit center alpha.

Usually three destoyer fleets or more were needed, between Hours 50 and hours 60 to stop the xenons. usually shock points were at Hatkivah, bright promise, trinity III and profit center alpha. Situation was a bit different for the splits, who are excentred.

At the end an industrial magnat player was able to crush any ennemy, xenon or not around day 6, alone.

I don't take it bad, but I also played every version of X4 and that was never my experience. Maybe you were using faction enhancer, but I always use VRO with vanilla factionlogic and this game is pretty consistent with what I have always seen. Also, what you describe is definitely not what I would want in my game. We also seem to play very differently, I have games that are 10 days long and I never felt I could just crush everyone despite have a couple of powerful fleets. I always spend my time building up my own territory though, terraforming and building up infrastructure, etc. I like to play as if I am building up a country of my own.

[Grom Alith]

OOS combat in current patch is completely broken. Even VRO cannot fix it.
Here is one example from my save (VRO + FOCW):

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Even after 30 real minutes in SETA mode, this battle continues with 0 damage to large ships. On the map when OOS, all battles look very strange, all the ships are just spinning non-stop. When I teleport to the ship nearby, this battle ends in a couple of minutes.

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I really love X4 idea of a dynamic and living universe. I hope devs will fix it soon

[BlackRain]

OOS combat in current patch is completely broken. Even VRO cannot fix it.
Here is one example from my save (VRO + FOCW):

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Even after 30 real minutes in SETA mode, this battle continues with 0 damage to large ships. On the map when OOS, all battles look very strange, all the ships are just spinning non-stop. When I teleport to the ship nearby, this battle ends in a couple of minutes.

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viewtopic.php?f=192&t=441272
viewtopic.php?f=146&t=442693

I really love X4 idea of a dynamic and living universe. I hope devs will fix it soon

Oh, there is still some OOS problems for sure, these are bugs that can't just be edited away. There are some fundamental problems, but at least it is playable (IMO) with VRO. Or at least, I have been enjoying it just fine so far despite the bugs and yeah for my own fleets, I always stay IS

[Malchar]

Also, what you describe is definitely not what I would want in my game. We also seem to play very differently

It is strange you say that, and made a mod supposed to confrant the world to a xenon apocalypse. The other thing is ; you described your game as a universe threatened by a serious xenon menace, that need all the universe to ally against it. Really it seems to have a lot of emphasis and a very little menace.
Yes I was playing with faction enhancer at the v3.xx. However it is not the faction logic that made xenons so agressivly successful. It is a behaviour I saw again with mods including VRO. It is just, at this time, Xenons havre no more the punch to launch such offensives.

We also seem to play very differently

Probably. I m mostly in business/management. Most of fights are OOS. I try to build a strong logistic and overhelm ennemies with massive attack.

[BlackRain]

Also, what you describe is definitely not what I would want in my game. We also seem to play very differently

It is strange you say that, and made a mod supposed to confrant the world to a xenon apocalypse. The other thing is ; you described your game as a universe threatened by a serious xenon menace, that need all the universe to ally against it. Really it seems to have a lot of emphasis and a very little menace.
Yes I was playing with faction enhancer at the v3.xx. However it is not the faction logic that made xenons so agressivly successful. It is a behaviour I saw again with mods including VRO. It is just, at this time, Xenons havre no more the punch to launch such offensives.

We also seem to play very differently

Probably. I m mostly in business/management. Most of fights are OOS. I try to build a strong logistic and overhelm ennemies with massive attack.

I never made any kind of advertisement about making the game into a Xenon menace, my mod just provides options for additional ships. So yeah, the Xenon could become a menace depending on the situation in each game. Giving them more ships means a lot if they can build them and continuously expand, but if they can't build more ships it won't do much at all. My thing was always making the game have a different progression in the sense that over time, the fleets continue to be ordered and built (assuming the economy can handle it).

Faction logic has everything to do with how the Xenon expand and conquer, etc. It has nothing to do with VRO. VRO doesn't touch how the AI functions, it does balance changes and stuff to ships/weapons, etc. OOS combat issues are of course messing the Xenon up currently, but it is also affecting all factions so I don't know if that is giving any advantage/disadvantage to Xenon though.

Faction enhancer would have made the Xenon much more powerful and made them more likely to expand and their economy would be stronger which means more ships. This would have a huge impact on the overall game. It wouldn't have been as bad if you had used vanilla factionlogic.

[Malchar]

I never made any kind of advertisement about making the game into a Xenon menace

Currently, the Xenon have become a serious galactic threat and all factions have temporarily allied to push them back

The subject about the current game you described, not the mod in general.

Faction logic has everything to do with how the Xenon expand and conquer, etc. It has nothing to do with VRO.

May be I was unclear. I will re write the sentence : Yes I used faction enhancer at the V3.xx, but I think it is not faction enhancer faction logic that made xenons so successful. I experienced similar experience at X4 and VRO, modified, but without faction enhancer, nor any mod replaceing or modifying genuine faction logic. Simply, right now, xenons, lack of punch/power to reach their targets.

Faction enhancer would have made the Xenon much more powerful ... It wouldn't have been as bad if you had used vanilla factionlogic.

V3.xx game situation I described was not bad, It was wonderful.

Now FOCW is a fine addition in the way, it is close of difficulty cursor many peoples wished to see at X4 (it seems X4 dev are completly in opposition with such feature). It is why, I m a bit surprised your wish is a cool game where you are sure you cant be defeated. it the story of the pacifist gun dealer

[BlackRain]

I never made any kind of advertisement about making the game into a Xenon menace

Currently, the Xenon have become a serious galactic threat and all factions have temporarily allied to push them back

The subject about the current game you described, not the mod in general.

Faction logic has everything to do with how the Xenon expand and conquer, etc. It has nothing to do with VRO.

May be I was unclear. I will re write the sentence : Yes I used faction enhancer at the V3.xx, but I think it is not faction enhancer faction logic that made xenons so successful. I experienced similar experience at X4 and VRO, modified, but without faction enhancer, nor any mod replaceing or modifying genuine faction logic. Simply, right now, xenons, lack of punch/power to reach their targets.

Faction enhancer would have made the Xenon much more powerful ... It wouldn't have been as bad if you had used vanilla factionlogic.

V3.xx game situation I described was not bad, It was wonderful.

Now FOCW is a fine addition in the way, it is close of difficulty cursor many peoples wished to see at X4 (it seems X4 dev are completly in opposition with such feature). It is why, I m a bit surprised your wish is a cool game where you are sure you cant be defeated. it the story of the pacifist gun dealer

I just like a slow progression, I don’t want to rush anything. If other people want more chaos that is cool.

I wrote that stuff a long time ago, the description. X4 was different at that time lol. Nonetheless it isn’t entirely wrong because Xenon can get very powerful. Like I said, in my game they are beginning to cause havoc and I need to take a larger role since they are killing trade.

[Grom Alith]

I found an issue with the option "Additional Xenon Miners and Xenon Energy Transport"

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They are usually destroyed immediately after leaving the home sector, so this is an almost endless loop for Xenon mining and transport ships. The same issue with some combat ships.

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This is a huge waste of resources for Xenon faction.

[BlackRain]

I found an issue with the option "Additional Xenon Miners and Xenon Energy Transport"

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https://i.imgur.com/U2pSV5H.png

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They are usually destroyed immediately after leaving the home sector, so this is an almost endless loop for Xenon mining and transport ships. The same issue with some combat ships.

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This is a huge waste of resources for Xenon faction.

Hey, what exactly is the issue? I mean, they act the same exact way that Xenon ships normally act. They are a very small drain on resources for Xenon (it isn't like the extra ships are being built constantly). Only a certain amount get built and only 1 is ordered every several minutes or so. Even if one hour passes, only a few would be ordered from the additional options. They are normally building these ships regardless, this just increases the amount.

[Grom Alith]

Hey, what exactly is the issue? I mean, they act the same exact way that Xenon ships normally act.

As you can see in my screenshots, a ship built in Atiya's Misfortune was ordered to mine resources in Emperor's Pride VI, even if there is no safe way to get there.

Now I see that this is a problem with factionslogic, not a mod. I just tested it again with FE and this issue with mining ships is no longer here.

[ranOutOfNames]

Sorry for the noobish questions, but the last game I really played was terran conflict, and without extensions. I would like to pick it up again if I find a type of game I like.
There are a few questions I would like to ask, but I will start with the basics: starting it up.

1) in WIndows the extension complains that I need Cradle oF Humanity. But I do have Cradle of Humanity. Is that normal? How do I solve it?
2) in Linux it doesn't see the extension at all. Is the location to put it in ~/.config/EgoSoft/X4/79257070/extensions?

Thank you in advance

[BlackRain]

Sorry for the noobish questions, but the last game I really played was terran conflict, and without extensions. I would like to pick it up again if I find a type of game I like.
There are a few questions I would like to ask, but I will start with the basics: starting it up.

1) in WIndows the extension complains that I need Cradle oF Humanity. But I do have Cradle of Humanity. Is that normal? How do I solve it?
2) in Linux it doesn't see the extension at all. Is the location to put it in ~/.config/EgoSoft/X4/79257070/extensions?

Thank you in advance

Honestly, I am not sure about these issues. I don't deal with linux much and no idea about the first issue. Hopefully someone knows the answer.

[alexalsp]

Sorry for the noobish questions, but the last game I really played was terran conflict, and without extensions. I would like to pick it up again if I find a type of game I like.
There are a few questions I would like to ask, but I will start with the basics: starting it up.

1) in WIndows the extension complains that I need Cradle oF Humanity. But I do have Cradle of Humanity. Is that normal? How do I solve it?
2) in Linux it doesn't see the extension at all. Is the location to put it in ~/.config/EgoSoft/X4/79257070/extensions?

Thank you in advance

Try several options.

1) For Linux, change the case of letters to lowercase.

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FOCW  to focw

For Linux, all folder and files names must be in lowercase.

Most likely, after changing the case of letters in the name of the mod folder, the errors will disappear without additional manipulation.

2) Open content.xml file and change false to true

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 <dependency name="Cradle of Humanity" id="ego_dlc_terran" optional="false"/>
 <dependency name="Split Vendetta" id="ego_dlc_split" optional="false"/>

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comment out these lines

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 <!-- <dependency name="Cradle of Humanity" id="ego_dlc_terran" optional="true"/>
 <dependency name="Split Vendetta" id="ego_dlc_split" optional="true"/> -->

2) in Linux it doesn't see the extension at all. Is the location to put it in ~/.config/EgoSoft/X4/79257070/extensions?

All mods must be located in the root folder of the game - extensions

[ranOutOfNames]

1) For Linux, change the case of letters to lowercase.

Thanks, that worked. Now I can see it, but with the same problem: Cradle of Humanity is missing.
Somehow the image is not shown, so here is the link to a screenshot of the relevant part of the screen:

https://postimg.cc/7fzqLGK4

This is on Linux

2) Open content.xml file and change false to true

Yea, about that, I understood from your reactions that this problem is not usual, and I was thinking of reinstalling the game, but I have it now in Windows and Linux.
Am I the only one with the problem?
If no, why are these values in the xml set to false?

I mean, I have both DLCs, why should I set it to true? Will it change anything?

[alexalsp]

When to download the mod before or after the DLC if needed.

If there are folders like WS_xxxxx in the mods folder, delete them.

I started the game on Windows, everything is fine. There is no red.

Check your mods folder, try checking files if the game is on Steam, or reinstall the game.

[ranOutOfNames]

All mods must be located in the root folder of the game - extensions

I think this was the missing bit. If I put in the same directory as the DLCs it works.
Thanks for that.

So now I am a step further, trying to figure out how to configure and start the game properly. Things are not working as expected.
I am afraid that you will hear from me soon

[BlackRain]

All mods must be located in the root folder of the game - extensions

I think this was the missing bit. If I put in the same directory as the DLCs it works.
Thanks for that.

So now I am a step further, trying to figure out how to configure and start the game properly. Things are not working as expected.
I am afraid that you will hear from me soon

Hehe, let me know how it goes.

[ranOutOfNames]

Okay I have been playing a little, and in general there are aspects of the basic game I am kind of struggling with (like it's really annoying to go around a station to find these radio signals; I hear this sound and then I fly all over), but I guess it's okay.

Now, in general I am a fan of games like Battlezone, Carrier Command, Arma's CTI, where a couple of factions start with a minimum, grow, expand, and then fight each other. I am trying to do something similar here.
I don't think I can make factions start with a minimum (can I?), but that's not a huge problem. Maybe I can do the rest though.
So...

1) There are a lot of factions. I started with me and the Argon against everybody, but maybe it's not a great choice. Can I reduce their number? Maybe I can group them in teams? What would be the best way?
2) What's this story with the options to allocate ships to different factions? I thought that factions grow, and then buy or build more ships
3) What is the logic the different factions use when they are at war with each other? I see enemy ships flying through my sector, I also saw enemy ships stationed in my sector, doing nothing. They were not attacked (granted, friendly ships in my sector were attacking someone else), but also not attacking, or moving.
Maybe I can use this Faction War Enhancer?

Or in general, what would be the best way to get as close as possible to a game like that?

[Grom Alith]

Now, in general I am a fan of games like Battlezone, Carrier Command, Arma's CTI, where a couple of factions start with a minimum, grow, expand, and then fight each other. I am trying to do something similar here.
I don't think I can make factions start with a minimum (can I?), but that's not a huge problem. Maybe I can do the rest though.
So...

During the Paranid storyline, you will be able to create a new major faction from scratch. I myself have not played it yet, but I know that this faction starts with nothing, you will need to build a shipyard for them and help them survive and expand.

3) What is the logic the different factions use when they are at war with each other? I see enemy ships flying through my sector, I also saw enemy ships stationed in my sector, doing nothing. They were not attacked (granted, friendly ships in my sector were attacking someone else), but also not attacking, or moving.
Maybe I can use this Faction War Enhancer?

I tested many different mods and watched for hours how it works, and I can say that in my subjective opinion, the factionlogic in the current patch is in a very bad state. Mods like Faction Enhancer can improve it

I suggest you to try FOCW with DeadAir AI Tweaks and Faction Enhancer