ZYA are helpless against Xenon?

[GCU Grey Area]

The thing is that player does nothing special (mining and trading) but things will fall apart anyway.

Not in my games. Trade is often my primary focus for the first few weeks of a new game. In my experience it can have a significant impact. Have been able to swing the balance of power in the Paranid civil war, for example, by simply adjusting my trade blacklists to embargo one faction while continuing to trade with the other. In the case of ZYA one of their problems is ships which require large amounts of resources. Making a point of shipping in those resources can really help. It can also be very profitable & if you buy those resources from one of their enemies it's all the more effective (i.e. starve ARG to supply ZYA).

[budforceuk]

The thing is that player does nothing special (mining and trading) but things will fall apart anyway.

Not in my games. Trade is often my primary focus for the first few weeks of a new game. In my experience it can have a significant impact. Have been able to swing the balance of power in the Paranid civil war, for example, by simply adjusting my trade blacklists to embargo one faction while continuing to trade with the other. In the case of ZYA one of their problems is ships which require large amounts of resources. Making a point of shipping in those resources can really help. It can also be very profitable & if you buy those resources from one of their enemies it's all the more effective (i.e. starve ARG to supply ZYA).

I don't disagree it can be a big factor.

But in my experience, on all 3 of my major playthroughs the ZYA get rolled.

On my 3rd and current playthrough, I've intentionally tried to do everything I can to help them, and I consider myself an experienced player (although I don't resort to some of the meta money making techniques (exploits?)) and they are still getting rolled.

Basically they are not defending themselves now at all, I am.

I'm still working on it, and I've wiped Xenon in Rhys/matrix and now almost all of Tharkas going back to the Yaki, I haven't cleared the ones to the North West, which are actively attacking but I'm fighting those off manually. I have a massive factory now feeding them resources.

Basically MASSIVE player involvement to help them. I imagine if it wasn't for this they would be wiped from most of their sectors, right now in my game they just about hold the original sectors but down many, many stations and basically no military force.

[GCU Grey Area]

But in my experience, on all 3 of my major playthroughs the ZYA get rolled.

Guess it depends on what you mean by 'get rolled'. Have see them pushed back to just their core sectors, but they just tend to rebuild their economy in Zyarth's Dominion & keep churning out ships. They do tend to be fairly reliant on Teladi imports at that stage. However even in my FRF game, where I was an outright enemy to ZYA from the start & throughout, they did OK. Noticeably worse than in my other games (where I wasn't constantly stealing their stuff), but at no point did they even come close to being wiped out. They just contracted a bit further than in those other games. However, by the time I brought that game to a close (after 24 in-game days) they'd stabilised the front with the Xenon & had gone on the offensive against the Argons, capturing 11th hour. This was what the map looked like in the final save of that game: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0sv3x1ry65xfg ... 1.jpg?dl=0

[budforceuk]

But in my experience, on all 3 of my major playthroughs the ZYA get rolled.

This was what the map looked like in the final save of that game: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0sv3x1ry65xfg ... 1.jpg?dl=0

Mine they had Zyarths Dominion IV and Wretcheed Skies V and thats it. Rest taken by Xenon.

That was my first save the was progressed quite far, second save I didnt get as far but could see similar starting to happen.

[Panos]

I found where the problem is with ZYA. Is not the ships or anything else but GRAPHENE!!!!!!
There is barely any Methane in Family Zhin and Family Nhuut also while the graphene factories are too few and barely working.

That leads for ZYA suffering from Graphene production which halts production to everything related to it

Hull Parts
Advanced Composites
Plasma Conductors
Quantum Tubes
Weapon Components
Turret Components
Shield Components
Missile Components
Field Coils
Advanced Electronics.


Claytronics
Antimater Converters

[tsathogguah]

I've experienced the same. They are in a bad position - 3 xenon matrices have access to them and they are next to the Argon. They don't have safe trading with any nearby race so their economy tends to bottleneck. However, if you can save them they make a great economic opportunity because their economy is in such shambles there's tons of demand for virtually everything.

[budforceuk]

I've managed to save them in my game now, it's taken a lot of work.

I did the split quest, sided with the ZYA, I wiped the xenon from the north, I wiped the xenon to the south (doing the Yaki quest at the same rime) and put a rediculously over powered defence station on the gate to the west, which out of sector instas even K9's.

Not to mention a massive station in Family Zhin producing everything, and some things (hull parts for example) up to 4x productions.

Other than the Argon sending up Behemoth's (of which I am doing nothing about) they are actually starting to get on ok now.

[Pesanur]

Yep, also In my game they recovered at last with a lot of help. The only ZYA sector that is still in Xenon possession is Family Kritt.

The bad, in the meanwhile, the HOP take over Faulty Logic I.

Is irritating that while some factions are helpless against the Xenon, others can take over the xenon sectors in their own.

I know that isn't to be a popular claim, but, is Egososft isn't to balance the faction wars, then, how about giving the choice to disable factions sector take over? at least this way you can avoid the need of be babysitting factions if you don't like (keeping the ability to reclaim lost sectors if the faction lost all of the defence stations on it, of course).