Odysseus remake!??

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Re: Odysseus remake!??

Post by LameFox » Fri, 26. Nov 21, 04:30

Do the Teladi need fixing? I don't like the jellyfish personally but I don't think the models are bad, it's just not my taste. That said the stubby ones do look a bit sillier than the longer ones. I think the Stork really pulled it off best.
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Re: Odysseus remake!??

Post by Axeface » Fri, 26. Nov 21, 04:45

LameFox wrote:
Fri, 26. Nov 21, 04:30
Do the Teladi need fixing? I don't like the jellyfish personally but I don't think the models are bad, it's just not my taste. That said the stubby ones do look a bit sillier than the longer ones. I think the Stork really pulled it off best.
I think they need fixing, they havent had the attention they require. The 'idea' of the mushrooms, the overall intention is fine, they are just rushed and uninspired.
I think egosoft are gonna nail it with them... the changes to paranid are the proof of what can happen when they have time.

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Re: Odysseus remake!??

Post by mr.WHO » Fri, 26. Nov 21, 07:55

LameFox wrote:
Fri, 26. Nov 21, 04:30
Do the Teladi need fixing? I don't like the jellyfish personally but I don't think the models are bad, it's just not my taste. That said the stubby ones do look a bit sillier than the longer ones. I think the Stork really pulled it off best.
I'd say keep the frontal mushroom, but remake the rear part to looks more like Teladi ships from X3 (aka more industrial and unrefined and crude).

For Argons, I'd say they need a bit of re-skin and surface remodel to looks less X3 Terran-ish and slightly get back to X3 Argon roots.

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Re: Odysseus remake!??

Post by 13913408324 » Fri, 26. Nov 21, 08:03

AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Odysseus remake!??

Post by budforceuk » Fri, 26. Nov 21, 08:57

Egosoft stand out from other developers on how much work they are continuing to put into this game.

It's worth every penny.

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Re: Odysseus remake!??

Post by Pares » Fri, 26. Nov 21, 09:25

Wow, my mind has been blown. Honestly, I had little hope to see model updates for existing ships in X4, but it was much needed in the case of the Paranid capitals ships, and the new models look super sexy. Well done Egosoft. Mega upvote.

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Re: Odysseus remake!??

Post by Impending Doom » Fri, 26. Nov 21, 09:29

Are the Paranid L miners and freighters also getting a facelift? They may not be as badly in need of it as the ol' blowdryer, but I still think they'll look out of place next to the new capitals if they don't get the same treatment.

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Re: Odysseus remake!??

Post by linolafett » Fri, 26. Nov 21, 10:01

Impending Doom wrote:
Fri, 26. Nov 21, 09:29
Are the Paranid L miners and freighters also getting a facelift? They may not be as badly in need of it as the ol' blowdryer, but I still think they'll look out of place next to the new capitals if they don't get the same treatment.
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EDIT: yep, again: All paranid capital ships got a redesign.
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Re: Odysseus remake!??

Post by mr.WHO » Fri, 26. Nov 21, 10:04

I think the doubt was coz capship is usually a warship, but it's nice to see that civilian L/XL ships gets a lifting too.

For the post-5.0 update it would be nice to also get Construction Vechicles racial lifting and giving Xenons some more love (since X-Rebirth, all they got was a tiny scout).

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Re: Odysseus remake!??

Post by xant » Fri, 26. Nov 21, 10:50

linolafett wrote:
Fri, 26. Nov 21, 10:01
Impending Doom wrote:
Fri, 26. Nov 21, 09:29
Are the Paranid L miners and freighters also getting a facelift? They may not be as badly in need of it as the ol' blowdryer, but I still think they'll look out of place next to the new capitals if they don't get the same treatment.
linolafett wrote:
Thu, 25. Nov 21, 19:52
EDIT: yep, again: All paranid capital ships got a redesign.
Now the million dollar question: does that also include the Heracles?

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Re: Odysseus remake!??

Post by Tomonor » Fri, 26. Nov 21, 10:57

What you gotta love in the Ody's new design are those lines. They are so detailed and so magnificent. At least, compared to the bland looking previous Paranid ships.

Now these Paranid capships have a touch of luxury in them despite being warships.
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Re: Odysseus remake!??

Post by linolafett » Fri, 26. Nov 21, 11:43

mr.WHO wrote:
Fri, 26. Nov 21, 10:04
I think the doubt was coz capship is usually a warship, but it's nice to see that civilian L/XL ships gets a lifting too.

For the post-5.0 update it would be nice to also get Construction Vechicles racial lifting and giving Xenons some more love (since X-Rebirth, all they got was a tiny scout).
Race specific builderships are on my infamous "todo" list. And yeah, some more xenon love would be great as well... So much to do, so little time.
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Re: Odysseus remake!??

Post by Tamina » Fri, 26. Nov 21, 11:53

LameFox wrote:
Fri, 26. Nov 21, 04:30
Do the Teladi need fixing? I don't like the jellyfish personally but I don't think the models are bad, it's just not my taste. That said the stubby ones do look a bit sillier than the longer ones. I think the Stork really pulled it off best.
For the Teladi it would be "easy". Just import the XR models, they looked so much better. Well "easy" for someone who is neither an artist nor has to do the work but can watch the rain with a big cup of chocolat in the meantime. :D

The Condor design is awesome, though.

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Re: Odysseus remake!??

Post by Alith-Ahnar » Fri, 26. Nov 21, 13:20

LameFox wrote:
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Looking at the placement of Turrets and pictures the Scale of the New Paranid Capitals are substantially bigger than what they are now, this is going to have a substantial impact on combat effectiveness compared to the old hulls.
Having Two ships with the same name but different levels of effectiveness just by nature of the Ship geometry alone is reason enough to have only one type of Shiphull in-game.
Would have to screencap some at the same angles to be sure, but at least with the Odysseus it looks like it's longer and narrower, judging by the pad. So I guess it depends what angle you are firing from.

Having said that, I've never noticed a massive difference when it comes to size. Few weapon types seem to have much spread in this game and large ships don't do a lot of dodging or strafing outside of player hands (and even then, only at long ranges with slow projectiles). It seems like if something misses them it's usually because it aimed for a peculiar point on the ship that lead to firing at open space, and this part happens due to angle even if the target is stationary.
Take the M Landing Pad as Scale reference and you notice the difference, also the Size of the Turret connection points and the spacing of elements give you a hint of the Size difference.

The Current Oddy has in pretty much every situation the capability to aim three L Turrets at a Target, the new model is going to have problems doing so due to geometry blocking line of sight now.
When it comes to M Turret placement the smaller hull allowed better coverage all around the Oddy this is going to change somewhat just by nature of NPC Fight or Flight behavior and the short range of M Turrets.

The Model in itself is gorgeous the placement of the way to few M Turrets is sensible and certainly helps in not losing a turret set in a single salvo of random AoE attacks,
all I am saying is the Ship is going to behave differently in high attention combat without even considering the possibility of any stat changes.
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Re: Odysseus remake!??

Post by Wehrwolf_10 » Fri, 26. Nov 21, 14:25

linolafett wrote:
Fri, 26. Nov 21, 11:43
mr.WHO wrote:
Fri, 26. Nov 21, 10:04
I think the doubt was coz capship is usually a warship, but it's nice to see that civilian L/XL ships gets a lifting too.

For the post-5.0 update it would be nice to also get Construction Vechicles racial lifting and giving Xenons some more love (since X-Rebirth, all they got was a tiny scout).
Race specific builderships are on my infamous "todo" list. And yeah, some more xenon love would be great as well... So much to do, so little time.
If there was a choice between a new design of builderships for each race, or one L-ship for xenon, I would choose a xenon ship :pirat:
Usually xenons are the only enemy in the game, since there is simply no reason to fight other races.
For example, in X-Rebirth the player was not asked if he wanted to fight against the Plutarch Mining Corporation.
Also in X-Rebirth there were many hostile pirate fleets (high difficulty).

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Re: Odysseus remake!??

Post by Falcrack » Fri, 26. Nov 21, 15:03

linolafett wrote:
Fri, 26. Nov 21, 11:43
mr.WHO wrote:
Fri, 26. Nov 21, 10:04
I think the doubt was coz capship is usually a warship, but it's nice to see that civilian L/XL ships gets a lifting too.

For the post-5.0 update it would be nice to also get Construction Vechicles racial lifting and giving Xenons some more love (since X-Rebirth, all they got was a tiny scout).
Race specific builderships are on my infamous "todo" list. And yeah, some more xenon love would be great as well... So much to do, so little time.
I personally would prefer to see the X3 Xenon capital ship designs return, rather than the gigantic pill bug designs we have had since Rebirth.

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Re: Odysseus remake!??

Post by ubuntufreakdragon » Fri, 26. Nov 21, 15:16

I will miss the old Ody, not for itself, but for all the funny rage post about hairdryers.
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Re: Odysseus remake!??

Post by mr.WHO » Fri, 26. Nov 21, 15:32

ubuntufreakdragon wrote:
Fri, 26. Nov 21, 15:16
I will miss the old Ody, not for itself, but for all the funny rage post about hairdryers.
Me as well :D
It was entertaining to see people salty about hairdryer :D


Still, the new design keep the general hairdryer style as well.

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Re: Odysseus remake!??

Post by Ezarkal » Fri, 26. Nov 21, 15:45

mr.WHO wrote:
Fri, 26. Nov 21, 15:32
ubuntufreakdragon wrote:
Fri, 26. Nov 21, 15:16
I will miss the old Ody, not for itself, but for all the funny rage post about hairdryers.
Me as well :D
It was entertaining to see people salty about hairdryer :D


Still, the new design keep the general hairdryer style as well.
It was.
I will not miss the hairdryer itself, though. :)
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Re: Odysseus remake!??

Post by DaMuncha » Sat, 27. Nov 21, 06:48

linolafett wrote:
Fri, 26. Nov 21, 11:43
mr.WHO wrote:
Fri, 26. Nov 21, 10:04
I think the doubt was coz capship is usually a warship, but it's nice to see that civilian L/XL ships gets a lifting too.

For the post-5.0 update it would be nice to also get Construction Vechicles racial lifting and giving Xenons some more love (since X-Rebirth, all they got was a tiny scout).
Race specific builderships are on my infamous "todo" list. And yeah, some more xenon love would be great as well... So much to do, so little time.
I've been asking for this since the game came out.
Just... another... bug.

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