Please allow carriers to resupply themselves through the use of cargo ships.

[flywlyx]

So, the logic of a carrier is built with surface navy and extrapolated into X-space. Pretty much the whole point of a carrier is that they fight with their small craft & escorts & rl carriers basically don't have armour, they have structure with which to attach engines to - with which they stay away from surface threats. In X it's different ofc, but in X - Carriers broadly are not supposed to win s2s brawls.

WWII carriers do have armor, Modern naval warfare is totally different from X4 universe, it is more like WWII.

When you say 'These factors will only be more restricted in space' some reasoning would be great, because I can't detect any reasoning being done.

Hull material (or armor, as we might call it when talking about carriers, being as in X & rl they amount to the same thing) is cheap as chips relative to other components of a ship, both in X & rl

Raptor hull (no equipment )is only 75% mass comparing to monitor, while it has 3.68 times more hull and 2 times more expensive. What is lighter, more expensive, and provides more ability to counter damage? It is called armor.
And in real life, even on naval ships, armor steel is really high-quality steel, and on space ships, the heat shield tile is way more expensive than other tiles, and it is only to counter the heat.

On the other, if the logic is adjusted to require frequent returns to factories for trivial issues then the in-game people would not want to deal with that logistical mess any more than player do, so they would build in self-service capability. As to whether it's plausible re: all the mention of 'a carrier is not a factory' - every fleet carrier that ever went into service had the capability to repair it's own complement. The majority of expected repair & replace work done on warships ever since the age of sail was not done in a dock - but on the ship either by the crew or by contractors taken onboard. By & large every warship ever expected to leave it's own coast was/had a factory.

This is the exact logic why the supplier ships should do the manufacturing and the carriers do the maintenance. War is a battle of efficiency, the carrier with a factory is havier than the carrier without, and the factory is totally useless during a fighting scenario, so the carrier doesn't need a factory, while the fleet does.

[sh4l0m]

Re: ww2 cv's, 2" of armour is not armour designed to stop incoming shells.

Re: "What is lighter.." Armour steel is not lighter than structural steel. Empty space for hangars is lighter than structural steel.



Re: Heat shield

The estimated total cost of space shuttle heat shielding is ~90 million.
The estimated total cost of a space shuttle launch is 1.5 billion.
Otoh, 1/15 still looks like a lot, otoh, you're not launching any shuttles without my ceramics.

As to quality - in such industries cost is far more dictated by how rarely purchases occur (and the need to make it worth people's while & keep them in jobs in the gaps between purchases) than it is to do with the quality & actual instantial cost of producing a given product. Invoices, after all, are made by people with lives to live, not by the materials they produce.


To the rest, as I said, Idd with the discussion/proposal in general, what I disagreed with were specific points made to try and justify.

[flywlyx]

Re: ww2 cv's, 2" of armour is not armour designed to stop incoming shells.

X4 doesn't have these differences.

Re: "What is lighter.." Armour steel is not lighter than structural steel. Empty space for hangars is lighter than structural steel.

It is stronger in the same weight, or lighter in the same strength.

Re: Heat shield

The estimated total cost of space shuttle heat shielding is ~90 million.
The estimated total cost of a space shuttle launch is 1.5 billion.
Otoh, 1/15 still looks like a lot, otoh, you're not launching any shuttles without my ceramics.

You should compare tiles to tiles, not full cost, is this kind of basic logic so hard for you?

Re: Heat shield

As to quality - in such industries cost is far more dictated by how rarely purchases occur

Nope, price is also influenced by production ability, no matter how eager you want it, if you can't get it, the price go rocket high.