Suggestions for Pirate DLC

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Re: Suggestions for Pirate DLC

Post by S!rAssassin » Sat, 14. Aug 21, 21:56

Tamina wrote:
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Idealy, imo, pirates economy would mostly be based on their stolen goods and wrecked ships building some tucked together ships from those.
Yes! If Egosoft makes new pirate ships based on existing ships, like YAK, pirates may salvage ship wrecks for consuming resources to build ships, equipment and illegal goods.

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Re: Suggestions for Pirate DLC

Post by Herelekin » Sun, 15. Aug 21, 09:35

Aigh,
don't know where else to post this. Almost put it in Beta 4.10 section. Is there the possibility to implement a autorepair command in the behavioral menu "Einzelanweisungen"? Like "When there's enough money and a wharf ist whithin range go and get some repairs". Really would help with the micromanagment.
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Re: Suggestions for Pirate DLC

Post by S!rAssassin » Mon, 23. Aug 21, 08:49

Add to pirate L destroyers small fleets of S fighters! They are very vulnerable (and very profitable) to boarding by player.

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Re: Suggestions for Pirate DLC

Post by grapedog » Mon, 23. Aug 21, 09:34

Other Pirate related things that need fixing...

Player and NPC ships need to NOT come out of travel drive because a pirate harassed them. That's pretty much the dumbest thing ever... if up comes an issue where pirates are not able to do their piratical things because of this... then another solution needs to be found. Dropping out of travel drive to stop your ship so you can tell a pirate to F off is a dumb mechanic...

Pirates need to be less obvious, but there needs to be more ways of catching/finding them. Perhaps that could be a benefit of an advanced satellite is that it can pick up on pirate ships easier, where a normal satellite cannot. That would give me a real reason to use some advanced satellites. I only use them rarely now as I only place satellites at gates and regular satellites work fine for that... but if they could help dealing with piracy, that would probably convince me to use more advanced satellites.

Pirates need to be UNABLE to switch ID's during combat. If I'm camping a shipyard, and have like 30 ships attacking an FAF rattler... and it switches to a TEL Rattler... and turns blue... my ships should not be fooled, and should not stop attacking. It should turn immediately back to red since my ships already saw it and engaged it before it switched.

Piracy right now is already pretty un-fun to deal with. My ships stop so they can get more easily harassed. You have some pirates running around in dragon raiders, kuraokamis, asps, moreyas, and rattlesnakes, which are either the fastest ships in their class or close to... not only do my ships stop to be harassed like idiots, they usually cannot escape afterwards either because they're being chased down by ships faster than they are. Aside from viewing all the ships in an area, and looking for obvious pirates, or setting an alert to notify you of pirate ship sightings... there is no real way to combat them except after the fact. Also, I am barely notified that I lost a ship. Pretty much every hour now I just my message log, search for destroyed, just to see if/and how many, ships I need to replace. It's just an inevitability that I will lose ships, no matter what I do. That isn't fun...

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Re: Suggestions for Pirate DLC

Post by LameFox » Mon, 23. Aug 21, 11:32

As much as I like pirates thematically, we are two expansions in and I still have to use mods to play as one because there is no recycle/salvage, or capturing of non-structure BPs. It feels like they don't care much about that gameplay. Even adding the Yaki didn't make them do anything about it.
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Re: Suggestions for Pirate DLC

Post by mr.WHO » Mon, 23. Aug 21, 11:43

I hope it will be like this:

Pirate DLC - two unique Pirate clans and one small (following the pattern of two previous DLC).
free patch - kitbashed pirate raider variants for existing pirate factions (SCA, BUC, FAF, YAK).

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Re: Suggestions for Pirate DLC

Post by Tempest » Wed, 25. Aug 21, 16:58

agree w. most of the previous posters.

the pillars of a pirate economy:

- a salvage mechanic needs to be in, we have hulks that remain after ships blow up, we have abandoned ships. easy pickings for a pirate making a living, no reason hulks shouldn't have a decent yield of "Shiptech" wares.

- "functional" piracy, all the way through bringing back plunder (as per OP's point #2)

- a handfull of illegal goods already exist in-game, have them activly trade said goods (same for prisoners, easily tied in with certain Split factions)

a pirate faction (not a fan of the label, as mentioned by most, they are individuals) should have their equivalent of a "Nassau" where they sell their plundered goods, TEL feels like an obvious faction choice for a legitimate but shady trading partner.

a nobody pirate captain should be denied access to ANY combat vessels via regular faction shipyards (just like the player initially) even TEL Shipyards should not be selling L-class combat vessels, maybe they could sells some S/M covertly, but a Phoenix Vanguard flying pirate colors leaving a TEL Shipyard? thats just dumb. "virtualy captured" Destroyers as they are now seem fine, although without obvious prefixes per OP's point #3.

easy ship registry/IFF spoofing (out of radar range, not while actively being engaged by Police/Offended party) make a clean getaway ? they should be home free, although this would invalidate a need for a place to drop off plunder... a system tagging cargo as "illegally aquired" seems difficult.

feels like there should be some mechanic between compliance & non-compliance, i.e. non-compliance (not dropping cargo) resulting in a shipwreck seems counter-productive, maybe have them eat into the targets hull a fair bit, or even try boarding / taking prisoners. (as mentioned, might be a pain dealing with this as a player, but not really sure how i should feel about un-escorted traders) a non-complaince situation might then give me time to react (ship commed "home" while they're being harassed)
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Re: Suggestions for Pirate DLC

Post by Tamina » Wed, 25. Aug 21, 20:56

Another idea for pirates: Make stolen ships be detectable as stolen by police scans and turn hostile.
Faction police should ignore the stolen status if last owner was an enemy faction.

And give players a way to buy a spoofed licence from pirates :)

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Re: Suggestions for Pirate DLC

Post by dtpsprt » Wed, 25. Aug 21, 21:03

grapedog wrote:
Mon, 23. Aug 21, 09:34
Other Pirate related things that need fixing...

Player and NPC ships need to NOT come out of travel drive because a pirate harassed them. That's pretty much the dumbest thing ever... if up comes an issue where pirates are not able to do their piratical things because of this... then another solution needs to be found. Dropping out of travel drive to stop your ship so you can tell a pirate to F off is a dumb mechanic...
This is a non issue, all you have to do is make default behaviour "Escape" and uncheck the "Notify me" icon. This way they enter Travel Drive immediately after the first harassment without wasting time waiting for your answer.
As far as the post goes though, it's for piracy to be a viable gamethrough not about how to avoid it...

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Re: Suggestions for Pirate DLC

Post by grapedog » Thu, 26. Aug 21, 05:26

dtpsprt wrote:
Wed, 25. Aug 21, 21:03
grapedog wrote:
Mon, 23. Aug 21, 09:34
Other Pirate related things that need fixing...

Player and NPC ships need to NOT come out of travel drive because a pirate harassed them. That's pretty much the dumbest thing ever... if up comes an issue where pirates are not able to do their piratical things because of this... then another solution needs to be found. Dropping out of travel drive to stop your ship so you can tell a pirate to F off is a dumb mechanic...
This is a non issue, all you have to do is make default behaviour "Escape" and uncheck the "Notify me" icon. This way they enter Travel Drive immediately after the first harassment without wasting time waiting for your answer.
As far as the post goes though, it's for piracy to be a viable gamethrough not about how to avoid it...
I already have all those settings set, and yet I still lose ships to this mechanic.

And I am aware of what the post was for... for the piracy DLC... but there are things about piracy currently that need to be fixed as well. A discussion about piracy and suggestions for the DLC should also include current issues that need to be addressed.

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Re: Suggestions for Pirate DLC

Post by S!rAssassin » Thu, 26. Aug 21, 07:38

Tempest wrote:
Wed, 25. Aug 21, 16:58
non-compliance (not dropping cargo) resulting in a shipwreck seems counter-productive, maybe have them eat into the targets hull a fair bit, or even try boarding / taking prisoners.
If Egos realize boarding by pirates (or maybe and by all factions?), it will be great! Currently onboard marines are useless at all, except boarding by player.

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Re: Suggestions for Pirate DLC

Post by dtpsprt » Thu, 26. Aug 21, 16:02

grapedog wrote:
Thu, 26. Aug 21, 05:26

I already have all those settings set, and yet I still lose ships to this mechanic.

And I am aware of what the post was for... for the piracy DLC... but there are things about piracy currently that need to be fixed as well. A discussion about piracy and suggestions for the DLC should also include current issues that need to be addressed.
When it happens to me it is about 1 out of 20-30 times, so I consider it acceptable... Of course all my M traders are equipped with ARG MK3 Combat Engines (I find them better that the TER ones because of superior speed both in normal and travel mode) and MK3 Thrusters... They zoom out fast and get into Travel Drive, of course this does not works well against Xenon on the rare occasion that they meet, but the Xenon hardly classify as Pirates.

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Re: Suggestions for Pirate DLC

Post by Tempest » Thu, 26. Aug 21, 17:06

if only there was an easier way to assign a fighter escort to very large numbers of non-combat vessels.

an optional section in the shipyard interface perhaps.. a simple dropdown box with assign x-number of "unemployed S/M craft" just like the "assign builder" interface. ..
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Re: Suggestions for Pirate DLC

Post by NightmareNight91 » Fri, 27. Aug 21, 08:25

My suggestion would be to re-enable the ability for NPC ships to cause other pilots to bail as it was in 4.0 beta. And for pirate L ships to attempt to board (and recycle) other ships. They would need a proper pirate shipyard/wharf though (thus allowing a real pirate playthrough without buddying up to one faction just to get blueprints)

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Re: Suggestions for Pirate DLC

Post by LameFox » Fri, 27. Aug 21, 09:39

Tempest wrote:
Thu, 26. Aug 21, 17:06
if only there was an easier way to assign a fighter escort to very large numbers of non-combat vessels.

an optional section in the shipyard interface perhaps.. a simple dropdown box with assign x-number of "unemployed S/M craft" just like the "assign builder" interface. ..
Did they ever upgrade the patrol command? I think last time I used it, ships only blundered around and attacked what they stumbled across with their own sensors. I feel like updating that could help with both khaak and any hypothetical expansion to pirates. IMO a patrol should use sensor data from player property to track down enemies in its patrol sector, and respond to attacks on player property within that sector.

I would probably use that before escorts, personally, because a few fast ships could cover a whole sector and save the later game performance of giving escorts to my many miners.
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Re: Suggestions for Pirate DLC

Post by grapedog » Fri, 27. Aug 21, 09:51

LameFox wrote:
Fri, 27. Aug 21, 09:39
Tempest wrote:
Thu, 26. Aug 21, 17:06
if only there was an easier way to assign a fighter escort to very large numbers of non-combat vessels.

an optional section in the shipyard interface perhaps.. a simple dropdown box with assign x-number of "unemployed S/M craft" just like the "assign builder" interface. ..
Did they ever upgrade the patrol command? I think last time I used it, ships only blundered around and attacked what they stumbled across with their own sensors. I feel like updating that could help with both khaak and any hypothetical expansion to pirates. IMO a patrol should use sensor data from player property to track down enemies in its patrol sector, and respond to attacks on player property within that sector.

I would probably use that before escorts, personally, because a few fast ships could cover a whole sector and save the later game performance of giving escorts to my many miners.
No, patrol is still pretty much completely useless. You'll have ships all the way at the sector edge investigating spacedust while 20+ kha'ak ships are harassing your ships and stations in the much more relevant areas of the map.

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Re: Suggestions for Pirate DLC

Post by Tempest » Fri, 27. Aug 21, 11:19

i've had moderate success blanketting a sector, by just setting 1 craft to patrol, and then have 256 others to Mimic. (they seem to scatter quite a bit then)

as you said, they'll happily ignore hostile craft visibly in radar range (how that does work anyhow? NPC don't seem to have access to the entire sensor-net like we do, for my own craft i would expect that to be the case)
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Re: Suggestions for Pirate DLC

Post by S!rAssassin » Fri, 27. Aug 21, 12:20

And "Defend leader" command should make defenders attack hostile before they hit leader. And response attacks against themselves correctly - leader should no ignore attacks of it`s fleet.

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Re: Suggestions for Pirate DLC

Post by S!rAssassin » Tue, 14. Sep 21, 13:00

So, we have some pirates factions in game. And more to come?

Why they do not fighting each over for spheres of harassment? Pirates stations should have analog of admin module and should claim sectors in their confrontaction as well as official factions claims their sectors in official wars.

So, one sector should have one official owner and one dark, pirate, owner. Official owner may destroy pirate station in central sectors with high police and military presence.

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Re: Suggestions for Pirate DLC

Post by Tamina » Tue, 14. Sep 21, 13:17

:O a secret owner of a sector. That sounds cool.

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