Remind me, why we can't have bottom turrets on M-size ship again?

[Berserk Knight]

P and other Xenon S/M doesn't have to land anywhere

How do they launch from Wharf?

Xenon Wharf uses the exact same S/M building module as the Commonwealth.
They just float slightly above the floor.

Launch tubes? I never seen them launching IS and this in not a problem when launching OOS.

As someone who's been living with the Xenon for quite some time, I've seen them both launch from AND dock at launch tubes.
Xenon use a variant that allows ships to use them to dock.
Which, the AI scripts don't have a way to distinguish launch tubes from landing pads other than the "fact" that you can't land at launch tubes, so these Xenon variant launch tubes don't count as launch tubes to the game's logic.


In any case, M size ships use access ramps, so the bottom of the ship doesn't even have to be very close to the floor.
Have the landing gears extend further to put the ship's main hull up a higher, give the access ramps extra length through retractable parts or maybe just have them at a steeper angle so they can cover the extra height, and you'd even have enough space for turrets below the Terran Katana that's currently almost flush with the floor.
It's just Egosoft's design decision to have them this way.

[Dreez]

Personally i think M-sized ships are a bit of a joke and has no real use. They're made of paper and a single fighter can easily kill an M-ship.
It's been debated before, whether or not M-sized ships were suppose to be the middle between destroyers and fighters but got left
behind in the development.

In X3, there was a superb ladder of shipsizes. M3 > M6 > M7 > M2 > M0. So in X4 we're missing 2 steps which makes a huge differense.

[Slashman]

Personally i think M-sized ships are a bit of a joke and has no real use. They're made of paper and a single fighter can easily kill an M-ship.
It's been debated before, whether or not M-sized ships were suppose to be the middle between destroyers and fighters but got left
behind in the development.

In X3, there was a superb ladder of shipsizes. M3 > M6 > M7 > M2 > M0. So in X4 we're missing 2 steps which makes a huge differense.

I've yet to see a single fighter kill my Teladi Osprey. I mean if I sit there and don't turn on the turrets maybe.

[jlehtone]

Personally i think M-sized ships are a bit of a joke and has no real use. They're made of paper and a single fighter can easily kill an M-ship.

There are two types of ships: the ship flown by player and everything else. Quite different types.

AI-piloted military M-size ... yes, it is not a top dog, although Katanas are the only thing in TER fleet that can annoy an Asgard. M-size flown by player is usually an entirely different beast.

Take a Frigate. Let it carry an S-size. That combo can do most of generic missions.

[Slashman]

Basically it matters how you arm the frigate and to a lesser extent the pilot. But even when I'm not piloting it myself...I haven't seen a SINGLE fighter come close to taking down my frigate. I mean it has drones and laser towers and is armed with two flak turrets.

I think that statement is very hyperbolic.

[af_2017]

Xenon Wharf uses the exact same S/M building module as the Commonwealth.

And apparently they have trader's corner...