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Re: Post your FPS & CPU's scores - instructions how to measure included - 5950x + 12900k + now 5800x3D!!

Post by sceic » Sun, 12. Mar 23, 19:17

CPU: 3700X Game: 6.0beta5 with all DLC
GPU: 5700xt
Ram: 32 3200
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Young Gun Empty: 114fps
Dense Empire: 14fps
Dense Empire Empty: 59fps

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Post by Skeeter » Wed, 29. Mar 23, 20:03

Anyone got a 7600x results and a summery of fps in fights and station? Just ordered a new setup based on a 7600x.
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Re: Post your FPS & CPU's scores - instructions how to measure included - 5950x + 12900k + now 5800x3D!!

Post by xxlordsothxx » Fri, 14. Apr 23, 02:50

CPU: Ryzen 9 7800X3D
RAM: 32GB, 6000 MHz, DDR5-RAM
GPU: 4090 ASUS TUF
Motherboard: Gigabyte Aorus Elite B650

Game version: 6.0 All DLC
Young Gun: 168-172 FPS
Dense Empire: 24 FPS*
Dense Empty: 116-134 FPS

* I get 24 fps at exactly 10 seconds but the framerate is all over the place. It can dip as low as 12 or as high as 30 but it primarily stays at 23-27. I will also say that my thermals with the 7800x3d are not great. I am getting higher temps than others so I will have to test again when my AIO arrives.

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Re: Post your FPS & CPU's scores - instructions how to measure included - 5950x + 12900k + now 5800x3D!!

Post by Imperial Good » Fri, 14. Apr 23, 07:02

Dense Empire test might not be sensible after the move to 6.00. Even with 5.10 it was showing issues after migrating so many versions.

Dense Empty is probably the test people care the most about as that would reflect performance of a reasonably developed game. 7800X3D seems a very good contender here. Again it is not really sensible to compare earlier results with 6.00 all DLC results due to massive underlying changes, so people should take the value by itself.

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Re: Post your FPS & CPU's scores - instructions how to measure included - 5950x + 12900k + now 5800x3D!!

Post by LandogarX4 » Fri, 14. Apr 23, 15:29

Here the latest results summarized. Now with German Euro pricing, which changes the picture quite a bit.

I am not concerned about comparability from 5.1 to 6.0, since user Arsaneus did not observe significant differences in fps between the versions, and since the dense empty save should not be impacted much by the new physics engine or the changes to the graphice engine. There's also no alternative given that people are unlikely to redo the bechmarking with the new version. The comparison, while imperfect, is better than flying blind when buying a CPU for X4.

https://ibb.co/NmB2dhB
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Re: Post your FPS & CPU's scores - instructions how to measure included - 5950x + 12900k + now 5800x3D!!

Post by Valhalla_Awaits » Sat, 15. Apr 23, 18:14

LandogarX4 wrote:
Fri, 14. Apr 23, 15:29
Here the latest results summarized. Now with German Euro pricing, which changes the picture quite a bit.

I am not concerned about comparability from 5.1 to 6.0, since user Arsaneus did not observe significant differences in fps between the versions, and since the dense empty save should not be impacted much by the new physics engine or the changes to the graphice engine. There's also no alternative given that people are unlikely to redo the bechmarking with the new version. The comparison, while imperfect, is better than flying blind when buying a CPU for X4.

https://ibb.co/NmB2dhB
Appreciate that. I'm just about to do a new enthusiast build for Starfield later this year, and since I'm playing X4 till then, figured I'd see what cpu is currently on top for X4. Glad to see the 7800X3D is right at the top of the pack as that was the CPU I was planning to get unless the 13900k was significantly beating it. Not a fan of the new Intel CPUs with the much slower efficiency cores that look to be a pain to deal with when switching tasks. Felt the same way with the 7900X3D and 7950X3D with only half the cores being usable for gaming. Since I don't want half of my CPU to have to be disabled/useless to play games, makes the 7800X3D my choice now.

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Re: Post your FPS & CPU's scores - instructions how to measure included - 5950x + 12900k + now 5800x3D!!

Post by Max Bain » Sun, 16. Apr 23, 01:35

I think now with the release of the last DLC we need a new performance thread. The universe will not grow anymore and the engine seems to be more or less finished.

When I see the first page the results are not really comparable... some old cpus have more than 30fps in dense empire where the 13th generation or newest AMD cpus struggle to reach these values.

Especially the first page is very confusing and leads to wrong assumptions about some CPUs.
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Re: Post your FPS & CPU's scores - instructions how to measure included - 5950x + 12900k + now 5800x3D!!

Post by kdwf22 » Wed, 19. Apr 23, 15:15

CPU: i5-12400F Version: 6.0 HF1 (All DLCs except KE, waiting for major bugfix before buying)
Mem: 16GB DDR4 @ 3200 (8x2)
GPU: 1080 ti @ 1080P All Highest settings except MSAAx2 no FSR
Young Gun : 143 - 144 fps (Turning to the sun was dropped to around 13x-14x)
Dense Emp : 21 - 24 fps
Dense Emp / Empty : 82 - 89 fps

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Post by Chris2000SP » Fri, 21. Apr 23, 18:07

@LandogarX4 please, do the old Graph format. The actual graph is wrong because it adds all three save games together and you can no longer see how many FPS a single one has. And over 300 FPS is simply wrong.
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Post by hardergamer » Tue, 25. Apr 23, 10:05

Imperial Good wrote:
Fri, 14. Apr 23, 07:02
Dense Empire test might not be sensible after the move to 6.00. Even with 5.10 it was showing issues after migrating so many versions.

Dense Empty is probably the test people care the most about as that would reflect performance of a reasonably developed game. 7800X3D seems a very good contender here. Again it is not really sensible to compare earlier results with 6.00 all DLC results due to massive underlying changes, so people should take the value by itself.
I agree, after changing to 6.0 Dense Empire is showing 5fps, from 23-28fps in 5.1, but if I teleport out and back into my ship I get 28fps, anyone ells had this?

Also, as I have changed GPU 3 times over the last week and ran the 3 saves on each, I can tell you now that the GPU makes a big difference to FPS to the other 2 saves apart from Dense Empire, even with the lowest settings, with an 580 8GB I got 110-120FPS in Dense Empire and 160-170 with a 3080 or 6700xt, so the GPU is still limiting max frame rate.

I will be doing more testing this week as I'm about to by a 5000 series Ryzen CPU and hi-end 32gb 3800mhz 14cl ram kit, then I post all my findings.

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Re: Post your FPS & CPU's scores - instructions how to measure included - 5950x + 12900k + now 5800x3D!!

Post by leoriq » Sat, 29. Apr 23, 08:45

Chris2000SP wrote:
Fri, 21. Apr 23, 18:07
@LandogarX4 please, do the old Graph format. The actual graph is wrong because it adds all three save games together and you can no longer see how many FPS a single one has. And over 300 FPS is simply wrong.
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Post by KinzerX » Fri, 12. May 23, 01:59

CPU: Intel i7 13700k Overclocked 1-4core 5.8ghz/all cores 5.6ghz
RAM: 32GB 7400 MHz DDR5
GPU: 3080ti 4K Highest settings except MSAAx4 no FSR
Motherboard: MSI Pro z790-A

Game version: 6.0 with DLCs
Young Gun: 150-160 FPS
Dense Empire: 29-41 FPS(mostly 32-36)
Dense Empty: 120-140 FPS

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Re: Post your FPS & CPU's scores - instructions how to measure included - 5950x + 12900k + now 5800x3D!!

Post by ballti » Sun, 14. May 23, 17:37

So bottom line like in all similar game: grafic quality vs low FPS in dense base. Reasonable sacrifice.
Pardon: reasonable sacrifice for simulated "galaxy"
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Re: Post your FPS & CPU's scores - instructions how to measure included - 5950x + 12900k + now 5800x3D!!

Post by Skeeter » Sun, 14. May 23, 20:39

Is everyone using the same gfx settings otherwise the results are meaningless really. If this is to test cpu only then low res 1080p and lowest gfx options should be used to gauge cpu performance on the game. Shouldnt it.
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Re: Post your FPS & CPU's scores - instructions how to measure included - 5950x + 12900k + now 5800x3D!!

Post by Blitz4 » Tue, 13. Jun 23, 11:05

LandogarX4 wrote:
Fri, 14. Apr 23, 15:29
Here the latest results summarized. Now with German Euro pricing, which changes the picture quite a bit.

I am not concerned about comparability from 5.1 to 6.0, since user Arsaneus did not observe significant differences in fps between the versions, and since the dense empty save should not be impacted much by the new physics engine or the changes to the graphice engine. There's also no alternative given that people are unlikely to redo the bechmarking with the new version. The comparison, while imperfect, is better than flying blind when buying a CPU for X4.

https://ibb.co/NmB2dhB
Landogar these are amazing.

I believe this pic is better
https://i.ibb.co/8gv6Kz2/x4perf-MArch.png

NO cpu can hit a smooth framerate (always under 20ms frametime) and 20ms is 1/20ms = 0.050 frames per ms = 50 fps
Yes, 50fps would be smooth. Personally it's slightly below for me, maybe 46fps, but each person is different. Targeting 50fps will appeal to everyone. However 60fps I can tell is better than 50fps. and 70fps I can slightly tell is better than 60fps. The gains of quality for performance decreases the more frames. I see 50 as the minimum and 60 as the accepted minimum.

I can right now use GeForce NOW to get a 4080, but something like 16 threads from a shared server CPU. I get about 15fps, or 13fps minimum with it in dense empire. Heck I get 9fps with my old i7-4950k. I can see the 5600x roughly matches the performance in GeForce Now.

PS.
The game is heavily cpu bottlenecked by the single thread of the sim that is stated it cant be split into multiple threads. There's other issues that they are working hard on like culling and performance on station vs off station.

I would like to see the ratio of dense empire benchmark vs GHz. I believe that would be an interesting stat to share.

What I really really want to bench is.. Have you seen some of the liquid nitrogen overclocking? Gamer's Nexus has a recent video on it.

Same idea there has pushed us into hitting 9GHz! That 13900k is "Intel® Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0 Frequency ‡ 5.70 GHz"
Highest we have available. What would 9GHz do? I want that bench tested on it, I believe it's the only video game capped so much by cpu, most are gpu bottlenecked, and many reviewers, even Gamer's Nexus, doesn't know about X4 or how demanding it is. They believe no game is a challenge for a 6GHz cpu.

The reason the first picture is better, you can see how low dense empire is and how it scales over the cpu's. Think about this. If you got a 5600x or GeForce Now, you could get the performance of a 5600x. That means dense empty and young gun both are above the 50fps minimum. It's only dense empire that's an issue. Your second pic only shows the performance of dense empty and the overall performance of all benchmarks combined. People in this thread, I imagine they can get something like a 5600x or GeForce Now, if they don't have a better cpu already.

People are literally buying cpu's for this game thinking it'll improve performance. There's no stats like what you tested that are known by all. If these reviewers knew about X4 by you sharing your findings with them. I imagine not only will those that own the game know better which cpu to buy, but it'll bring more sales to X4, and thus increase the ability to fix the issue.

Here's the current world record run for fastest CPU. Yes, 9GHz! Note that #1 isn't using Liquid Nitrogen.
https://hwbot.org/benchmark/cpu_frequency/halloffame

This video is of that #1 World Record Team, or when a person first broke 9GHz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzAZxx_aLdo
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Re: Post your FPS & CPU's scores - instructions how to measure included - 5950x + 12900k + now 5800x3D!!

Post by Imperial Good » Tue, 13. Jun 23, 15:39

Blitz4 wrote:
Tue, 13. Jun 23, 11:05
Highest we have available. What would 9GHz do? I want that bench tested on it, I believe it's the only video game capped so much by cpu, most are gpu bottlenecked, and many reviewers, even Gamer's Nexus, doesn't know about X4 or how demanding it is. They believe no game is a challenge for a 6GHz cpu.
The CPU will likely become memory latency bottlenecked at those frequencies. Even though monolithic Intel CPUs generally maintain low memory latencies.

This issue can be seen on non-X3D AMD CPUs where the reported "effective clock" is far below the frequencies the CPU cores can obtain, because the cores just cannot be fed with data fast enough.
Blitz4 wrote:
Tue, 13. Jun 23, 11:05
People are literally buying cpu's for this game thinking it'll improve performance. There's no stats like what you tested that are known by all. If these reviewers knew about X4 by you sharing your findings with them. I imagine not only will those that own the game know better which cpu to buy, but it'll bring more sales to X4, and thus increase the ability to fix the issue.
X4 runs well on a Ryzen 9 3900X. Anything like a 5800X or 7800X will run X4 even better than well. Any modern gaming orientated CPU should run X4 well in most situations.

A lot of the people reporting performance issues either are expecting X4 to do the impossible, more than 60 FPS perfectly stable at max settings with whatever randomness their universe throws in front of them, or they are using older gaming orientated CPUs which no longer cut it performance wise, such as quad core Intel processors from the 7th generation or older.

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Re: Post your FPS & CPU's scores - instructions how to measure included - 5950x + 12900k + now 5800x3D!!

Post by Vheissu » Tue, 13. Jun 23, 17:44

Imperial Good wrote:
Tue, 13. Jun 23, 15:39
Blitz4 wrote:
Tue, 13. Jun 23, 11:05
Highest we have available. What would 9GHz do? I want that bench tested on it, I believe it's the only video game capped so much by cpu, most are gpu bottlenecked, and many reviewers, even Gamer's Nexus, doesn't know about X4 or how demanding it is. They believe no game is a challenge for a 6GHz cpu.
The CPU will likely become memory latency bottlenecked at those frequencies. Even though monolithic Intel CPUs generally maintain low memory latencies.

This issue can be seen on non-X3D AMD CPUs where the reported "effective clock" is far below the frequencies the CPU cores can obtain, because the cores just cannot be fed with data fast enough.
Blitz4 wrote:
Tue, 13. Jun 23, 11:05
People are literally buying cpu's for this game thinking it'll improve performance. There's no stats like what you tested that are known by all. If these reviewers knew about X4 by you sharing your findings with them. I imagine not only will those that own the game know better which cpu to buy, but it'll bring more sales to X4, and thus increase the ability to fix the issue.
X4 runs well on a Ryzen 9 3900X. Anything like a 5800X or 7800X will run X4 even better than well. Any modern gaming orientated CPU should run X4 well in most situations.

A lot of the people reporting performance issues either are expecting X4 to do the impossible, more than 60 FPS perfectly stable at max settings with whatever randomness their universe throws in front of them, or they are using older gaming orientated CPUs which no longer cut it performance wise, such as quad core Intel processors from the 7th generation or older.
Do you have any thoughts on the 7700x cpu's performance in X4? Or does anybody in the thread have a 7600x?

I'm priced out of the 7800x3d unfortunately - Getting a 16gb gpu for some other games and they are hard to find for anything approaching a reasonable price.

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Post by Skeeter » Tue, 13. Jun 23, 22:21

I got a 7600x system almost ready to switch on, but i didnt upgrade for x4 just cos i was worried how long my system would last being about 10-11 years old except the gpu and a few drives.

Still dont think its right that to get anything playable u need a new cpu for this game, they really should impose hard limits for some things to reduce the strain on the cpu for older systems which should be able to play fine but cant.

Btw theres rumors of a 5600x3d cpu coming which could help midrange am4 platform users.
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-5 ... dly-coming And since x4 isnt great with loads of cores 6/12 should be plenty.
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Post by Imperial Good » Tue, 13. Jun 23, 23:59

Vheissu wrote:
Tue, 13. Jun 23, 17:44
Do you have any thoughts on the 7700x cpu's performance in X4? Or does anybody in the thread have a 7600x?
They should perform well. The 6 core 7600X might show some weakness in collision heavy scenes but overall it should play decently.
Skeeter wrote:
Tue, 13. Jun 23, 22:21
Still dont think its right that to get anything playable u need a new cpu for this game, they really should impose hard limits for some things to reduce the strain on the cpu for older systems which should be able to play fine but cant.
As time progresses the new CPUs of yesteryear become old CPUs of today. As I mentioned, anything within the last 3 generations of CPUs that is targeting gaming should run X4 in a very playable way. With the next generation of CPUs it will become 4 generations of CPUs that can do that.

Technically the game will still "run" on very old CPUs. Just the performance would not be considered playable to many people.

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