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Post by Noimageavaiable » Fri, 22. Nov 13, 22:06

Alucard291 wrote:
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dubnium wrote:you mean the actual engine that is so bad at multithreading that it works worse if you upgrade your cpu? yeah, that sounds lovely.
Like any new code it needs lots of bugfixing and optimization. A new engine won't be any better in that regard.
Well that's moot. Very moot in fact.

Some engines are made better than others. But you'd think an inhouse engine made for 1 game over the course of 7 years wouldn't struggle with pc's well over the minimum spec :/

And yet we have X3 Ap. The game made for a single core cpu. In 2012.
And then you disprove your own point with an example. AP was build on an engine from 1999, it had 13 years of optimization behind it. Given enough time Rebirth's engine can also be polished to that point.
Yup an engine from 1999 runs like utter shit on computers built to spec 14 years later. I see I have truly disproved my point.

My point is Egosoft can't code for shit. And they haven't done any optimisations to the said code over 13 years.

What's your point?
My point is quite clear I think. But if you refuse to even try to understand my posts I'm just wasting my time with you. GL with all that nerd rage, I'm out.

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Post by Kor'ah » Fri, 22. Nov 13, 22:14

You left out the part where ships/stations require materials to be built. Materials that have their own production chains. In previous X games ships magically spawn from nothing and stations came for magic beans already staffed and ready for work in seconds.

Egosoft is going for the Circle-of-life style of economy. once the crippling bugs are dealt with, and the universe gets a few more systems, it'll be interesting to see it at work.
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Post by Alucard291 » Fri, 22. Nov 13, 22:18

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Alucard291 wrote:
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Alucard291 wrote:
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dubnium wrote:you mean the actual engine that is so bad at multithreading that it works worse if you upgrade your cpu? yeah, that sounds lovely.
Like any new code it needs lots of bugfixing and optimization. A new engine won't be any better in that regard.
Well that's moot. Very moot in fact.

Some engines are made better than others. But you'd think an inhouse engine made for 1 game over the course of 7 years wouldn't struggle with pc's well over the minimum spec :/

And yet we have X3 Ap. The game made for a single core cpu. In 2012.
And then you disprove your own point with an example. AP was build on an engine from 1999, it had 13 years of optimization behind it. Given enough time Rebirth's engine can also be polished to that point.
Yup an engine from 1999 runs like utter shit on computers built to spec 14 years later. I see I have truly disproved my point.

My point is Egosoft can't code for shit. And they haven't done any optimisations to the said code over 13 years.

What's your point?
My point is quite clear I think. But if you refuse to even try to understand my posts I'm just wasting my time with you. GL with all that nerd rage, I'm out.
So you're saying if they can't make an old engine work... they shouldn't try making a new one work.

Yeah makes sense. I agree. Except you see they claimed that they couldn't optimise X3 for multicore (mad bottleneck) cpu's. And couldn't add new shader models (which also kinda bottleneck the game seeing how DX9 is now lightyears behind in efficiency not least due to gpu drivers not being optimised for something so ancient anymore).

So they then release an engine with the same exact problems they had before. That was my point. The X:R engine is barely better technologically than the X3 engine. AND (I agree with you, you see?) worse optimised.

Now what you're saying is they should try and patch in features and optimise the shit out of something that's 7.5 (DX10 was released in 2006) years out of date on the day of release?

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Post by Malakie » Fri, 22. Nov 13, 22:23

Hob Anagerik wrote:I guess the problem is that I don't really know what I want X4 to be. But I do now know what I don't want it to be! :)

You don't?

I do! :D

Here are some ideas:

1) Everything in X3 plus all the best mods
2) Ability to walk around INSIDE our ships AND stations in first person
3) Ability to have crew member NPC's that move around the ship/station and are assigned duties
4) Ability to respond to hostile boarding actions on ships OR stations in first person combat with your NPC's
5) Ability to go down to planets and move around and do things in first person (think Battlecruiser 3000AD type capability)
6) Ability to easily add mods, add new and more ships to the game etc..

I can think of a few more but you get the idea...
Take it light.....

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Post by Hob Anagerik » Fri, 22. Nov 13, 22:31

Malakie wrote:Ability to go down to planets and move around and do things in first person (think Battlecruiser 3000AD type)
Oh, you mean the wrong way of going about it? Sorry but you completely eliminated the credibility of your post by mentioning that company! :)

Any company deciding to chose that shower as inspiration are heading downhill fast. Horrible company, horrible developer and even more horrible community.
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Post by Sturmhardt » Fri, 22. Nov 13, 22:33

I say let them bring Rebirth out of Beta first and then we'll see.

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Post by monkeyshots » Fri, 22. Nov 13, 22:34

Their next big thing is probably the x:rebirth playstation 4 launch. After that, my guess is, they either get bought or they close down.

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Post by Noimageavaiable » Fri, 22. Nov 13, 22:37

monkeyshots wrote:Their next big thing is probably the x:rebirth playstation 4 launch. After that, my guess is, they either get bought or they close down.
I wonder how EA Games is doing these days :roll:
Although they might not be interested since they usually buy out franchises that are popular, then ruin them. Egosoft is kinda ahead of the curve here.

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Post by Malakie » Fri, 22. Nov 13, 22:50

Hob Anagerik wrote:
Malakie wrote:Ability to go down to planets and move around and do things in first person (think Battlecruiser 3000AD type)
Oh, you mean the wrong way of going about it? Sorry but you completely eliminated the credibility of your post by mentioning that company! :)

Any company deciding to chose that shower as inspiration are heading downhill fast. Horrible company, horrible developer and even more horrible community.

The company mentioned has nothing to do with my post... I simply used the game made by that title as an EXAMPLE of space to ground transition, i.e. go from commanding a ship all the way to first person ground troop on a planet...

I was not talking about how they did it or whether it was good or bad... Just the idea which is cool.

Egosoft doing something like that would not even be close to the crap that game has in it.. But the idea of what was done would be awesome in an X3 setting...
Take it light.....

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Post by Hob Anagerik » Fri, 22. Nov 13, 22:59

Point taken. But if you knew the games then you would realise that they space to ground transition is not seamless, despite what their developer would tell you.

Knowing Egosoft and their latest game, in regard to the current docking mechanic, I fear this is exactly what they would do too.
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Post by Raapys » Fri, 22. Nov 13, 23:01

Malakie wrote:Egosoft doing something like that would not even be close to the crap that game has in it..
Egosoft's implementation of station landings beg to differ.

Heck, this whole game begs to differ. The BC games were some of the most ambitious games ever. But they weren't competent enough to pull it off, so they ended up incomplete, buggy messes. Just like this one, though this one only has half the ambition of BC.

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Post by Lyth » Fri, 22. Nov 13, 23:05

wasdie wrote:The engine needs constant work and they need continuous feedback from the community.
Interesting, I agree with you completely but pretty clear they are only listening to a select few - mainly those that wanted things like auto pilot/SETA removed and wanted a dumbed down version of everything else.

They have a very eclectic community of gamers that play the X universe as they admitted, without a way to hear everyone clearly it will just be a mess. Community relations isn't rocket science but leaving it to mob rule as they are doing to get feedback is just silly.
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Post by giskard » Fri, 22. Nov 13, 23:19

thesus1 wrote:If for you X4 is just X3 with HD Skin (more of the same), I don't want X4.
Well said... Totally agree with you there bro.
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Post by Raapys » Fri, 22. Nov 13, 23:41

giskard wrote:
thesus1 wrote:If for you X4 is just X3 with HD Skin (more of the same), I don't want X4.
Well said... Totally agree with you there bro.
How's this any different? Well, except that none of it works and the fact that all the new implementations are horrible. But the basic idea is just the same. So...?

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Post by scarshapedstar » Fri, 22. Nov 13, 23:55

Raapys wrote:
giskard wrote:
thesus1 wrote:If for you X4 is just X3 with HD Skin (more of the same), I don't want X4.
Well said... Totally agree with you there bro.
How's this any different? Well, except that none of it works and the fact that all the new implementations are horrible. But the basic idea is just the same. So...?
Who wants the same ol' goodness? Give me a brand new pile of shit! YEAH! My head is already boiled with excitement!
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