The split mamba-the real truth

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The split mamba-the real truth

Post by tphater » Mon, 23. Aug 04, 10:38

The split mamba tough it is everyones fav. m3(mine too) it is really the weakest of them all.And here's why
-very low shields(come on 1*25 mw shields)
-you cant take the speed advantage because those bhepts are slow and at high speeds it takes too long
to get a lock on the target(make the blue circle apear).And just think,this ship should be used for
hit and run atacks(that's hit,run 'till you're 700 m away and hit).Instead,you'll be finding yourself hiting
and missing :evil: !!The only thing that helps you solve this problem is slowing down and strafin'(stupid over used
strafe drive) :evil:
-turning should be better :evil:
-if you use MDs(witch work for hit & run tactics) dunno why you chosed this ship,a scorpion is much better :roll:
-overall the weaponry aint good(MDs are great but thats all :evil: )
-very vulnerable to missles when using bhepts(1 hornet hit=1 dead turkey :evil: )
-to use it lets say efectivly you would have to strafe a lot
And you dont have to be a experienced pilot to use it,you have to be a strafo-maniac.
So why people even bother,only because of it's speed?
(and i know how to use it usually killing all the xenon ships docked in a station)

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Post by Guiden » Mon, 23. Aug 04, 10:40

Never liked the mamba... looks cool but that's it...
Who needs nuclear power when there is electricity?

M1: 2
M2: 5
M3: 70
M4: 9
M5: 10
M6: 20
TL: 1
TS & TP: ~100

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Post by tphater » Mon, 23. Aug 04, 10:47

Forgot about is price.It is more expensive than a Barra :!: :evil:

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Post by arcana75 » Mon, 23. Aug 04, 11:10

Since when was the Mamba everyone's favourite?

I myself am partial to the Mako, Nova and Osprey.

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Post by Brianetta » Mon, 23. Aug 04, 11:13

It can stay on the tail of a Boron Hydra during an assassination mission. You don't even need to strafe to avoid return fire, you just steer around it.
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Post by tphater » Mon, 23. Aug 04, 11:22

I was talking about real fighting(that's fighting lots of m3).
The mamba can destroy a hidra only if you use MDs,but it is much more
easyer without strafin' in a scorpion and using hi&run atacks(and gettin'
on a m6s tail aint allways the best tactic for example the dragon has
4 ghepts,no strafin' and no hit&run tactic and you'll be dead in no time).

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Post by bandit3x » Mon, 23. Aug 04, 11:23

But when you encounter 3 M6 ( especially osprey !! ) and 2 M3, you have good chances to get a lethal ass kick :o :cry:
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Post by tphater » Mon, 23. Aug 04, 11:28

Correct!!
So why bother?
Also noticed that if a kakm3 starts shotin' at you from 3.3 km(like it always does when atacking ) if you're not using the tuning kit(reason=no energy sells) there is a big chance that you'll die :!:

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Post by Deleted User » Mon, 23. Aug 04, 11:36

i love the mamba i'm in one with 4 mamba wingmen.

ALL BOW DOWN TO THE SPLIT.

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Post by tphater » Mon, 23. Aug 04, 11:43

I'm usin' no wingmens at all(don't like to replace them).For SERIOUS
fighting i dont see how you pitifull mambas can help you(again one hornet hit=one fried turkey).
The mamba is not good for personal use,but it's AI is even worse.It gets
kicked by all the m3s.
So why do you like it?

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Post by Deleted User » Mon, 23. Aug 04, 11:46

the mamba is very good for personal use, you just need to be a good pilot so if you can't use it well you shouldn't go into a xenon sector in a hurry :P

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Post by TeladiPhoenix » Mon, 23. Aug 04, 11:53

I'd say give it another shield and maybe some GHEPTS. Split are about firepower. And one more shield wouldn't do much unbalancing. As for the hornet missile thing can't say I've seen much Split curry around space... in fact, most of the time, they've easily dodged and or outrun them.

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Post by tphater » Mon, 23. Aug 04, 12:03

Again,i know how to use it.But this doesn't mean that this ship is
efective.
a good pilot
Just because you strafedrive a lot !That doesnt make you a good pilot!
Use those bhepts if you want,i dont recomend it tought
Eject the strafe drive and try it now(no wingmen).I'm telling ya' the scorpion is much better(with no strafe).If i can destroy almost everything in a scorpion with the strafe drive damaged(of course i have my limits) and with 2 MDs i can bet i have got ta skills.In fact try it yourself and you'll see it's much easyer.
So no offense but i disagree on this one

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Post by Deleted User » Mon, 23. Aug 04, 12:16

did i say i use the strafe drive ??? huh did i ???
i don't think so.
and i used my mamba without windmen for ages, they didn't just pop out of no where, i did missions to earn the money WITH NO STRAFE DRIVE.

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Post by Brianetta » Mon, 23. Aug 04, 12:25

tphater wrote:I was talking about real fighting(that's fighting lots of m3).
...because of course, fighting against a corvette isn't real at all. Especially when they tend to have a wing of M3s in escort.
tphater wrote:The mamba can destroy a hidra only if you use MDs,but it is much more
easyer without strafin' in a scorpion and using hi&run atacks(and gettin'
on a m6s tail aint allways the best tactic for example the dragon has
4 ghepts,no strafin' and no hit&run tactic and you'll be dead in no time).
The Mamba can destroy a Hydra using its beta-HEPTs. This is not really up for debate - using mass drivers takes hours, HEPTs takes seconds. It sounds to me like you've not actually tried this, which is one of those things I really hate.

The Mamba has the speed to stay behind the Hydra, it has the firepower to kill the Hydra, and the manoeuvrability (without strafing, as you're hung up on that) to avoid the pathetic return fire from the single b-HEPT turret. Just hope it doesn't have an ion disruptor, because you'd have to disengage and find a better tactic.
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Post by tphater » Mon, 23. Aug 04, 12:29

Ass. missions and XI are easy money.You need a m4,that's all.
Atack without strafe drive a Xenon Station with something like 20Ls,15ms,
a couple of Ns.Wait for them to undock and then see how "efective"
the mamba is without strafedrive.
This number of enemies will kick a mambas but in no time.
A nova can easily handle such a grup while in a mamba you'll be running
from missles cauze they do much damage to 25 mw shields.
Only one tactic will save you,run from the xenon seta for a couple
of seconds then kill them one by one.(dont like usin' this)
Or use MDs but then why in a mamba?
This is what i call a serious fight.Lets say at least 15 fighters atacking.

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Post by Deleted User » Mon, 23. Aug 04, 12:32

Brianetta wrote:It sounds to me like you've not actually tried this, which is one of those things I really hate.
to me it seems like all he has done is taken a look at the stats and what some people have said about the ship.

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Post by tphater » Mon, 23. Aug 04, 12:42

Using bhepts and no strafing while being toasted by 5 hidras.Dont get
me wrong,in these situation without MDs it is almost impossible+you
cant destroy it in only a few seconds.In a few seconds you'll be running out of energy+not all the ass. miss. pay you for killing crapy hidras.
If you were killing hidras that were defending sectors then sorry,i never
atack friendly races(and those hidras have low speeds so no much of a challenge).
And i have killed m6 in a centaur(2 front ghepts!) and it takes a while
(not to much but still not a few seconds).

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Post by Lutzie » Mon, 23. Aug 04, 12:45

Very low shields(come on 1*25 mw shields) Granted, but aside from KM3s you should never drop below 50%
-you cant take the speed advantage because those bhepts are slow and at high speeds it takes too long Done correctly this doesn't matter. And you can use MDs.
to get a lock on the target(make the blue circle apear) You can fire WAY before then...
.And just think,this ship should be used for
hit and run atacks(that's hit,run 'till you're 700 m away and hit). It is...Instead,you'll be finding yourself hiting
and missing Erm... not me, sorry...
The only thing that helps you solve this problem is slowing down and strafin'(stupid over used strafe drive) Again, not me... I tend to always be flying at max speed...
-turning should be better Well, horses for courses. 70% is ideal for me, and IIRC it goes higher than this...
-if you use MDs(witch work for hit & run tactics) dunno why you chosed this ship,a scorpion is much better Don't be daft. The only advantage the Scopion has over the Mamba is an extra 100 speed. The Mamba has over 5 times the shielding and IIRC double the cargo bay for missiles and fuel.
-overall the weaponry aint good It has the best weaponry on any M3...
-very vulnerable to missles when using bhepts(1 hornet hit=1 dead turkey :evil: ) If you get hit in a Mamba with a hornet then quite frankly you DESERVED to be shot. No missile should EVER touch a mamba, except Mosquitos and their Khaak equivilant.
-to use it lets say efectivly you would have to strafe a lot Nope...
And you dont have to be a experienced pilot to use it,you have to be a strafo-maniac. Nope...
So why people even bother,only because of it's speed?Exactly BECAUSE of it's speed. You can get in, fire off a volley of BHEPTs and get out before the enemy ship has even clocked you...
But when you encounter 3 M6 ( especially osprey !! ) and 2 M3, you have good chances to get a lethal ass kick I've taken out 3 Hydras and 2 Barracudas in a Mamba. I've taken out 2 Nemesis too (And only died cos the 3rd rammed me) and was amazed at how easy it was
(and i know how to use it usually killing all the xenon ships docked in a station) Have you taken down XM1s and XM2s in it yet?
Just because you strafedrive a lot!That doesnt make you a good pilot! Then don't use it. You don't need it.
Atack without strafe drive a Xenon Station with something like 20Ls,15ms, a couple of Ns.Wait for them to undock and then see how "efective" the mamba is without strafedrive. Been there done that, cleared them all up. I've virtually cleared whole Xenon sectors in a Mamba…
This number of enemies will kick a mambas but in no time. Yeah, if you're flying it maybe… not for everyone, me, blackwing, Brianetta etc seem to be fine with it
A nova can easily handle such a grup while in a mamba you'll be running Same old, same old…
from missles cauze they do much damage to 25 mw shields.As stated above, if you get hit with a Dragonfly or above in a Mamba, you sdeserve to have been hit.
Only one tactic will save you,run from the xenon seta for a couple of seconds then kill them one by one.(dont like usin' this) Hang on, you yourself said above that it was a "hit and run" ship and yet you complain when you have to do it! If you don't like it, don't do it or use a ship that suits your flying style! And FYI When you're fighting swarms of Xenon then you don't hit and run. You should be in the centre of a cloud of them, moving constantly, picking off the samller ships as fast as possible.
Or use MDs but then why in a mamba? Cos of it's large cargo bay for ammo, wasps, mosquitos and speed!
This is what i call a serious fight.Lets say at least 15 fighters atacking. Only 15? Try 30!

In summary: The Mamba is an awesome ship. You DON'T need a strafe drive at all. The only real threat against it is a KM3 if it's locked onto you outside of 3km. It can take out M3s and M6s quite easily.

@Brianetta: I've tried using BHEPTs on a Hydra and I must be doing something wrong, cos I simply can't get the shields low enough! :( Tips?
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Post by tphater » Mon, 23. Aug 04, 12:52

To me it seems that you havent done to many ass. miss. usin' your
split mamba.Kill 5 m6s in a split mamba with no strafe.
And kill LARGE grups of enemies using it.
Then try another m3.
You cant just make ppl. liars just because you dont believe them,now
whats up with that!
To bad the game doesnt show you for how long have you been using a ship and how many ships did you kill,i'm sure that'll make you change your mind!

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