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PostPosted: Thu, 19. Apr 18, 19:14    Post subject: Please DO HAVE EARLY ACCESS for X4 paying Customers Reply with quote Print

community could help with the game , before it ships out. since its early access people can complaint about unfinished state.

i would recommend that you have a X number of early access codes...

i am bringing this topic up, because i want X4 to succeed!

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PostPosted: Thu, 19. Apr 18, 20:26    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Been discussed alot in the past in a similar thread I guess you didn't see it a few pages back.

Most agreed it's a good idea but egosoft might not like doing it that way as most early access games come at a reduced price like half price Vs full release price and they might not like the hit in income. Plus other discussions on it.

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https://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=396155


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PostPosted: Thu, 19. Apr 18, 22:30    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Personally if we didn't get EA by now I don't think we will get it at all ( unless it is short one).... Personally I think game will probably be out by October or November.


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PostPosted: Fri, 20. Apr 18, 00:36    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I'm guessing a delay till middle next year. If they want to release properly and not release too early with bugs.

Releasing with bugs is too easy answer with games these days just because they presume people can download patches. Take the time and release it properly with no bugs if possible like u could in 90s.


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PostPosted: Fri, 20. Apr 18, 05:01    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Game so far looks solid so I don't think there should be any delays unless they are planning some major features. From the videos we can see that game is somewhat functional and working..... Only thing that worries me is AI I hope we get improvement over XR. Anyway I hope we see more videos about mining and how will workforce work.


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PostPosted: Fri, 20. Apr 18, 17:55    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I think there would be an EA for the game. A lot of people think if there is not one now why would there be one... Simple as when the game normally releases that is almost a EA feeling stage. it's been how Egosoft has always been most of us accept it.

But instead of just out right releasing it they could EA the title now.

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PostPosted: Fri, 20. Apr 18, 19:25    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Kane Hart wrote:

But instead of just out right releasing it they could EA the title now.

Now?
We have no insight how much is done yet. And remember the few insight we got were just footages. So it is likely the shown gameplay is not stable or not connected with other gameplay features.

I agree they should go in early access. But it is important having a "game" first.

Edit: My fault. Headbang
By "now" you mean now after the experience with X-Rebirths release.


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PostPosted: Sun, 22. Apr 18, 04:54    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I'm not positive early access is a good idea after the way X:R launched. Closed beta with selected modders/community members/devnet, maybe.

Let's face it, X4 is going to be a bit of a mess at launch if things go well - between missing content ( Boron ), the usual glitches, performance woes and an economy that might not always work out.

Opening up the game to the public before it's ready doesn't seem wise, in that respect. Yes, it's "early access", but if any random person on the internet can buy and play the game this will not change what is expected and how the product is perceived (and it shouldn't, if you're happy to take people's money there should be a functional product).

And yes, Egosoft are good at fixing things post launch. But first impressions matter, and after X:R it seems to me that releasing an (even more) unfinished and potentially broken game to the masses is playing with fire if not economically suicidal.

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PostPosted: Sun, 22. Apr 18, 07:08    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I think Early Access is a bad way to put it.

I'd recommend properly-vetted Beta testers. People with:

Substantial playtime in both XR and X3 (TC and/or AP)
Frequent Forum history in regards to having a history of actually reporting bugs, issues, glitches and exploits.
Willingness to buy the game in order to Beta test (perhaps at a discount, or maybe with the Devs giving a special nod of appreciation to them in start/end credits)


The name Early Access is plagued by feedback saying "This game should never be released" whereas hand-picked Beta Testers would be far more constructive. Of course, with NDA paperwork being signed.

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PostPosted: Sun, 22. Apr 18, 11:44    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

@ adeine and TonyEvans: That's pretty much the private beta strategy Egosoft used for X Rebirth but you cannot in all fairness not consider trying out other keen newer volunteers within the testing team too.

Hopefully that regime could work a bit better in a future situation with fewer release deadline external pressures - should this all apply next time of course.

Early Access - 'that's a different kettle of fish entirely' - to quote a Rebirth NPC character.


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PostPosted: Sun, 22. Apr 18, 15:13    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Alan Phipps wrote:
@ adeine and TonyEvans: That's pretty much the private beta strategy Egosoft used for X Rebirth but you cannot in all fairness not consider trying out other keen newer volunteers within the testing team too.

It is hard to believe that X-Rebirth ever had beta tester. Shocked

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You can solve many problem with a high access price. That guarantees you get people who care about the game. People who are willing to "test" it and have an interest in improvements.


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PostPosted: Sun, 22. Apr 18, 15:21    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

LittleBird wrote:

It is hard to believe that X-Rebirth ever had beta tester. Shocked

@adeine
You can solve many problem with a high access price. That guarantees you get people who care about the game. People who are willing to "test" it and have an interest in improvements.

+1

Because of the beta testers of X-rebirth is that I think X4 needs to be released in early access. X-rebirth beta testers must have played another game.

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PostPosted: Sun, 22. Apr 18, 15:34    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

LittleBird wrote:
Alan Phipps wrote:
@ adeine and TonyEvans: That's pretty much the private beta strategy Egosoft used for X Rebirth but you cannot in all fairness not consider trying out other keen newer volunteers within the testing team too.

It is hard to believe that X-Rebirth ever had beta tester. Shocked


Well, it's a fact. So not really a question of belief.

As for high access prices, with those you limit your test personnel to people with a lot of money. I somewhat doubt that you find a correlation between the amount of money someone is willing to spend on a game and their suitability for testing a game. But feel free to prove me wrong.

As for limiting testers to those who have previously played (an) X game(s), this is equally a bad idea. With every new game, you want to have a certain amount of testers who have no idea what the game is or will be like.


As a general hint to the discussion of beta testing, I suggest those who have no idea what you actually do as a beta tester are a lot more cautious with their assumptions of what the beta testers of X Rebirth allegedly didn't do.


Edit: typo.


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PostPosted: Sun, 22. Apr 18, 15:37    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

LittleBird wrote:
Alan Phipps wrote:
@ adeine and TonyEvans: That's pretty much the private beta strategy Egosoft used for X Rebirth but you cannot in all fairness not consider trying out other keen newer volunteers within the testing team too.

It is hard to believe that X-Rebirth ever had beta tester. Shocked

@adeine
You can solve many problem with a high access price. That guarantees you get people who care about the game. People who are willing to "test" it and have an interest in improvements.


Or it guarantees you get rich, entitled kids "testing" it.

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PostPosted: Sun, 22. Apr 18, 17:34    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

X2-Illuminatus wrote:
LittleBird wrote:
Alan Phipps wrote:
@ adeine and TonyEvans: That's pretty much the private beta strategy Egosoft used for X Rebirth but you cannot in all fairness not consider trying out other keen newer volunteers within the testing team too.

It is hard to believe that X-Rebirth ever had beta tester. Shocked


Well, it's a fact. So not really a question of belief.

As for high access prices, with those you limit your test personnel to people with a lot of money. I somewhat doubt that you find a correlation between the amount of money someone is willing to spend on a game and their suitability for testing a game. But feel free to prove me wrong.

The comment about the beta testers was sarcasm. Because someone did a terrible job on beta testing (testers devs or both). But that is the wrong place to discuss it. I got just triggered. I am sorry.

Moving on...

If people payed a high access price it is more likely that you get testers instead of gamers (who later on flame about an unfinished game in an alpha or beta state).
Also if people payed a high price they are more likely to care about the game. They want a good product so they contribute in testing and improving the game.

Some people mentioned EA access with a discount. That is a bad idea for X4 I believe. So you open the gates for "gamers" or people who use the opportunity to "prebuy" (is there an english term?) the game and never touch it until release.


X2-Illuminatus wrote:

As for limiting testers to those who have previously played (an) X game(s), this is equally a bad idea. With every new game, you want to have a certain amount of testers who have no idea what the game is or will be like.

That is also a drawback for the method with high access price. Only people who have trust in the game and the devs pay high price. Of course that are veterans and not new players searching a space game.

But you can do both. High price access for first beta testers and later on less restrictions.


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