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PostPosted: Wed, 20. Dec 17, 17:10    Post subject: Teladi Dissapointment Reply with quote Print

So its with a great shame the latest stream shows they have fallen in line with every other Space sim since 1984 and 'consolised' the Teladi ships to look like symmetrical race cars for space.

In previous x3 the Teladi ships were the finest looking space ships to grace ANY space sim to date...their unique awkward a-symmetrical appearance was true to what you expect a ship to look like (they looked like real space ships), interesting and different, reminiscent of the Millennium falcon or tie fighters that somehow looked believable but most importantly unique with character.. Like an old slighlty bent house has chracter v a modern square box.

The Teladi destroyer in x3 with its main guns all on one side requiring it to turn to its side to fire a broad side was sublime.....so what do they do this time....

.....Yep they turn them all into symmetrical 'Racing car' sleek, sporty looking ships, like EVERY other ship in the game and indeed all other Space games....couldn't tell the difference between the Teladi bomber and the Argon.
Sorry for the rant, just a real shame to see this.

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PostPosted: Wed, 20. Dec 17, 18:15    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I found it peculiar, that the bomber, peregrine (?), borrowed its look from the X3 falcon except more bulky, but the falcon itself looked like something completely different. As X3 fan (X3 = bestest ships) i felt betrayed and hurt in my feelings ... Heul doch! Tu ich doch!

However not all is lost yet. Fighters looked quite different in X3 as well, compared to the capitals. And that applied to most races, but particularly Teladi and Argons.


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PostPosted: Wed, 20. Dec 17, 18:23    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I thought that the Kestrel is quite reminiscent of x3 teladi fighters, it looks like the X3 Harrier a bit. The Falcon, while I like that design, it looks cool - im not sure how teladi it looks, dont think it looks utilitarian enough. The Peregrin I thought was a bit boring looking and the Osprey, really not sure about that one. I hope they add some big flat struts to the capitals like the x3 Teladi ships, they need more recognisable sillouettes imho. They added large curved engine shields to both the Osprey and Peregin, I reckon they could add a bit of geometry to those. I definately havent fallen in love with any of the designs yet like I did in X3, the first time I saw a Barracuda Vanguard, Thresher, Discoverer, Nova and Titan in X3 I just had to have them - hell even the buster looks cool in its ugly-boxiness.

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PostPosted: Wed, 20. Dec 17, 18:46    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Killjaeden wrote:
... the falcon itself looked like something completely different. As X3 fan (X3 = bestest ships) i felt betrayed and hurt in my feelings ... Heul doch! Tu ich doch! ...


I feel we're going back to the old games in terms of design, from what I've seen, both the falcon and the krestel look alot X2'ish with the wings.
Even the new "mushroom domes" on stations reminds me of X2.


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PostPosted: Wed, 20. Dec 17, 19:04    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I'm disappointed what resulted in a 3d model of a actual teladi, far from how they originally looked on the screen monitor from xbtf or x2, and how they nerfed their voices.

I want the teladi from when u first contact them in xbtf, that was cool, xrebirth totally made them crap.


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PostPosted: Wed, 20. Dec 17, 19:13    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I liked the Teladi Capitals in XR a lot. Sad
They were very unique, beautiful and interesting as well with their "front heavy design" in contrary to the usual ellipse shape.

Kind of sad I am the only one thinking so Sad

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PostPosted: Wed, 20. Dec 17, 20:31    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

joao wrote:
I feel we're going back to the old games in terms of design, from what I've seen, both the falcon and the krestel look alot X2'ish with the wings.
Even the new "mushroom domes" on stations reminds me of X2.

Yes - this is also my impression. The new designs look much simpler in terms of complexity and slightly comical: The average length seems to have been reduced significantly, ships are more boxy and stubby. Plus the components have grown in size relative to overall ship size, like weapons and the hangars on corvettes are simply ginormous compared to X3's ship elements. Combined with the first images we got to see with some of the early "all the colors" scheme, is what triggered the comparison to Lego of many people.

Axeface wrote:
I thought that the Kestrel is quite reminiscent of x3 teladi fighters, it looks like the X3 Harrier a bit.

The essence it caught, but it looks too polished/ clean and lacks the patched together, weathered nature.


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PostPosted: Wed, 20. Dec 17, 22:11    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

"I agree."

The thing I liked best about Teladi ships in x3 is they looked like the design and construction were done by the lowest bidder in keeping with their reputation.


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PostPosted: Wed, 20. Dec 17, 22:38    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Tamina wrote:


Kind of sad I am the only one thinking so Sad

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PostPosted: Wed, 20. Dec 17, 23:38    Post subject: Re: Teladi Dissapointment Reply with quote Print

Poacher886 wrote:
In previous x3 the Teladi ships were the finest looking space ships to grace ANY space sim to date


Ha, **** no. Teladi ships are ugly as shit. But that is their entire charm.


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PostPosted: Wed, 20. Dec 17, 23:48    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

What do you mean? The Phoenix and the Condor in X3 were dubbed floating junkyards by the player base.

http://x3tc.net/x3_img_ship/32d5894d7f147sc.jpg

I personally was a Raptor fan but the Split wont even be in the game as a major faction and I'm not complaining.


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PostPosted: Thu, 21. Dec 17, 01:13    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

csaba wrote:
but the Split wont even be in the game as a major faction and I'm not complaining.

But you should! (Unless you mean that cynical and mean you rather not see the beautiful X3 ships re-envisioned with X4 art style Embarassed )


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PostPosted: Thu, 21. Dec 17, 19:45    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

This is EXACTLY what im talking about...

http://x3tc.net/x3_img_ship/32d5894d7f147sc.jpg


Now thats a Teladi ship, it looks like a ship, slightly 'awkward' but bags and bags of character and individualism, as someone just mentioned "floating junkyard" and "there ugly, but thats their charm" !!!!

This is precisely the point im making...its also true that the weapons etc are over sized on x4 and dont give the impression of insignificance v a capital ship size.

I dont mind the sleek symmetrical 'race car' SR-71 Blackbird look for one race, but for all ships to look a variant of this is just plain boring, unrealistic, un-imaginative, and in line with typical console space games of a racing kind.

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PostPosted: Thu, 21. Dec 17, 20:45    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

The race styles change pretty much every game. There's always some race you liked better in the last one.

I don't recall seeing any of their capitals except a freighter in the X4 streams, and iirc it looked pretty damn good. Probalby should wait till you actually see their lineup in full and in context before passing judgement imo Wink It's not like they are going to change it at this point anyway.


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PostPosted: Thu, 21. Dec 17, 20:56    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Poacher886 wrote:
This is EXACTLY what im talking about...

http://x3tc.net/x3_img_ship/32d5894d7f147sc.jpg


Now thats a Teladi ship, it looks like a ship, slightly 'awkward' but bags and bags of character and individualism, as someone just mentioned "floating junkyard" and "there ugly, but thats their charm" !!!!

This is precisely the point im making...its also true that the weapons etc are over sized on x4 and dont give the impression of insignificance v a capital ship size.

I dont mind the sleek symmetrical 'race car' SR-71 Blackbird look for one race, but for all ships to look a variant of this is just plain boring, unrealistic, un-imaginative, and in line with typical console space games of a racing kind.



I personally dislike the new discoverer with it's forward pointing wings. It's symmetrical but weird to me, so I think it is too early to come to conclusions yet.

The Phoenix was one of my favorites in X3. It had the right amount of weirdness in it. But look at the X3 Falcon it was simple, boring and symmetrical, it pretty much looked like the new Kestrel just with added fins. We seen 3(?) ships from the Teladi sofar so I wouldn't sell them as the barebones symetrical race yet.

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