Bladerunner 2049

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Post by BigBANGtheory » Mon, 16. Oct 17, 13:03

Its certainly a decent sequel I think even the most hardened Blade Runner fan would be hard pressed not to like 2049.

Without spoilers I'd say

Pro's:
- It fits in well with the original
- Beautifully presented its a visual experience in itself
- well acted by all
- Disturbingly real sense of the future, good scifi in that respect
- You get much more background and PoV from Replicants
- Lots of deep Vangelis style saw wave synths
- more emotive content than the original imho

Con's:
- Its not film noir
- Some of the final scenes don't fully make sense (discontinuity) to me but maybe I missed a subtle point or two along the way
- Some good material in the book was still left untouched
- probably a little too long or padded where there could have been more going on not action per se but drama

I'll definitely watch it again and I would recommend you go see it.

I think the directors next project is Dune series so that will be worth keeping an eye on.

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Post by Kapakio » Mon, 16. Oct 17, 17:08

I agree in general with BigBANGtheory opinion of Pros and cons.

One con that I would like to add, I found the Jared Leto's character too caricatural and exagerated and I think it was not because of poor acting, but poor character development.

I't was hard to understand the motivations of what he did. Some actions where pointless or even against his apparent intentions.

But good film in general

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Post by RegisterMe » Mon, 16. Oct 17, 17:37

He was absolutely me least liked character in the film. Not a patch on his equivalent in the first.
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Post by BigBANGtheory » Mon, 16. Oct 17, 22:59

RegisterMe wrote:He was absolutely me least liked character in the film. Not a patch on his equivalent in the first.
I thought he did ok tbh, it could of had a more corporate spin but then you'd risk running into RoboCop territory.

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Post by Ketraar » Wed, 27. Dec 17, 16:46

Just found this topic and even if its 2 months old I feel I need to share a few words as the year comes to end and there are not that many good movies to speak of.

Blade Runner 2049 is the best movie of 2017 and for me its better than the original as it not only takes the premise of the first one, but expands on it. Waiting on the dvd release to see it more times and discover all the layers and bits I missed. But from watching it and then scavenging the internet for people discussing it I know it will be like the original one where we theorize around it for ages to come. That alone qualifies as a great movie, obviously this wont work if people dont like to discuss movies, or rather like movies that "end" as they leave the theatre.

As the original, this movie struggles at the box-office and once more, Hollywood executives are told to prioritise the making of mindless, empty spectacle cash-grabs, instead of well crafted artistry that is both stunning and thought-provoking. Not that there is no place for both, the imbalance is just going to grow and we will suffer more Transformers crap, more senseless reboots, more make the same crap again but this time put people with vaginas as leads, or flat out cashgrabs like the emojy movie. Sorry for the unexpected rant...

Lastly I just wanted to say I hope the guy that made the cinematography finally wins an Oscar and thus gets some recognition for his excellent work, there is NOTHING even remotely close to be as as good as this.

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Post by Incubi » Thu, 28. Dec 17, 01:50

Golden_Gonads wrote:I've... Not seen the original. I saw a few bits of it back in the day, but the VHS copy I got of it was so dark and grainy it was unwatchable. I did look into getting the DVD, but with 900 different versions available (And 1,800 opinions as to which to watch) I threw my hands up in disgust.
I’ll make this easy for you. While the final cut is good, the only version with Deckers narrative is the theatrical version. Not having the narrative is horrid and detrimental to the story. So watch theatrical first, and then final cut if you liked it enough to explore the other versions.

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Post by mrbadger » Mon, 15. Jan 18, 21:48

Watched it, thought it was great. Got a bit worried that there was going to be a sex scene in it, but luckily there wasn't.
Hint at it, yes, but don't show it.

Had there been I would have been very disappointed indeed. You don't need sex scenes to make a good movie. The first Blade Runner demonstrated that.

On that note the bridge scene at the end was a bit odd. I get what they were doing, but they didn't need to do it with a completely naked woman, she wasn't naked anywhere else in the film.

That scene would have had more impact if it had been done without the nudity. If she'd been wearing the dress from the balcony scene for instance. That would have had some emotional punch.

Not being prudish, just saying there are more ways to tell a story than with naked ladies crawling about. But I suppose we're still in a Game of Thrones influenced world.

But just as I thought I would I really enjoyed the film. I want to watch it again. But I need a weekend free to watch both movies.
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Post by Ketraar » Mon, 15. Jan 18, 22:08

mrbadger wrote:On that note the bridge scene at the end was a bit odd. I get what they were doing, but they didn't need to do it with a completely naked woman, she wasn't naked anywhere else in the film.
Its not the same "woman" that was the main point, it was a "copy" portrayed as a cheap version, a prostitution app so to speak. I thought that it was quite perfect and the nudity made the point of not being her come across better I think.

I agree on the not needed sex scenes, they are mostly out of place (only one that makes sense that I recall is in The Devil's Advocate, there might be more I cant think of right now). They went just far enough to make the point and interesting for the character development later on.

I still have to watch it again too though. :-)

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Post by felter » Mon, 5. Feb 18, 16:05

Watched the film a couple of weeks back and quite enjoyed it. So enough about the film, how about Deckard's binoculars pretty cool weren't they, well Adam Savage has done a 1 day build to recreate them. Damn he is good, plus he has some nice tools to play around with.
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Post by exogenesis » Tue, 6. Feb 18, 22:51

Just got my bluray from Amazon yesterday (just released in UK),
was expecting good atmospheric story, with original continuation - from reading this thread.

But...
what a load of slow & filler content, no atmosphere except copied rain & dark buildings like the original,
can't see much/any merit in this sequel,
just a load of obvious things to carry over & a tacked on silly story-line.

After all this time & with such a great franchise
I thought maybe this'd be a wonderful opportunity for a well thought out story.

Really disappointed, what a waste of £25.


Maybe it's good in 3D ?

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Post by RegisterMe » Tue, 6. Feb 18, 23:05

exo, chuck it in the post to me, I'll give you a tenner for it :).
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Post by greypanther » Tue, 6. Feb 18, 23:09

exogenesis wrote:Just got my bluray from Amazon yesterday (just released in UK),
was expecting good atmospheric story, with original continuation - from reading this thread.

But...
what a load of slow & filler content, no atmosphere except copied rain & dark buildings like the original,
can't see much/any merit in this sequel,
just a load of obvious things to carry over & a tacked on silly story-line.

After all this time & with such a great franchise
I thought maybe this'd be a wonderful opportunity for a well thought out story.

Really disappointed, what a waste of £25.


Maybe it's good in 3D ?
£25! Saw it for only £18 in Sainsburys today...

Got to agree with you though, a decent film but left me feeling disappointed.
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Post by Redvers Ganderpoke » Tue, 27. Feb 18, 15:34

Watched it at the weekend - far too long. Tied up a few ends from the first film. But guessed the ending.
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Post by mrbadger » Tue, 27. Feb 18, 16:05

exogenesis wrote:
But...
what a load of slow & filler content, no atmosphere except copied rain & dark buildings like the original,
can't see much/any merit in this sequel,
just a load of obvious things to carry over & a tacked on silly story-line.
It is a bit too slow in places yes, I thought that myself. The copying from the original was deliberate. They were trying to show what that world would be like in its future, so much of it would be the same, similar the the way much of ours is the same.

Bladerunner established the use of rain as a thing to set tone. Did they do it as well in this movie? Not so much, but they tried.

This movie just wasn't as fundamentally dark and opperssive as the original. Maybe it couldn't have been. It could be that if they'd taken that route it wouldn't have done even as well as it did.

Remember that the original Bladerunner was a flop initially as well. People hated it.

First time I saw it was on video, not in the cinema and I loved it. I don't even recall it being released in my town on the big screen.

Heck, at least it's not a superhero movie. Oh man am I sick of those now.

What's next, a movie about a vegan chicken sjw in a cape that takes down KFC?
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Post by Ketraar » Tue, 27. Feb 18, 16:26

I hear similar trend for Anihilation, another "cerebral" sci-fi movie that is struggling at the box office. In this case I cant even go watch it in cinema as its said it wont have a theatrical release outside of the US and should be available on Netflix.
Heck, at least it's not a superhero movie. Oh man am I sick of those now.
Well according to Black Panther's performance, you and me are alone in this. :roll:

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