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Post by Skeeter » Mon, 28. Aug 17, 19:39

Thats a shame, i for one do not want to use other gamestarts just the one main one which is usually the campaign one. S it looks like im gated off from that content it seems. Because when/if i play x again its just one game as futher i go in my save the less likely id ever start a new game as id lose all my progress etc and i never repeat games in general so..
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Post by Krushwarok » Mon, 28. Aug 17, 19:56

Skeeter wrote:Thats a shame, i for one do not want to use other gamestarts just the one main one which is usually the campaign one. S it looks like im gated off from that content it seems. Because when/if i play x again its just one game as futher i go in my save the less likely id ever start a new game as id lose all my progress etc and i never repeat games in general so..
I feel the same. I am usually play one long gamestart but not that so long. After I take a break from the game and play again I play another gamestart which is good from the replayability standpoint but what I have seen from the previous X games Story was never a good part I would play 1 big well written rich story instead of multiple little ones because many little bad story doesn't make one bigger good one.

Edit: The multiple small story and 1 little bigger story certainly a good for a new game universe because it's have the potential to introduce the lore, the universe, the races etc etc but that we already have seen so it doesn't make any sense maybe but just little maybe after the supernova that changed many things but not that many to give a new lore even if that is a reason that should mean all the races at the galaxy at once should be in the game not just small part that we will get in X4 . That doesn't justify the multiple little one story's in my opinion.
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Post by Alan Phipps » Mon, 28. Aug 17, 20:00

If I like a game I will play and keep one very long vanilla playthrough. If and when I restart, probably with a different gamestart, I then consider using selected mods to enhance playing it in a style that I by then know that I would prefer.
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Post by Nanook » Mon, 28. Aug 17, 20:10

And I like multiple gamestarts with different starting conditions, especially different races. I like to roleplay whatever 'character' I'm playing at the time. I found all the various starting characters in TC and AP to be enjoyable to take down different paths, be they good or bad, fighter or trader, assassin or military pilot, scavenger or empire builder. With a good set of starts, the possibilities are endless. I like to let my imagination run wild. :)
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Post by Ketraar » Mon, 28. Aug 17, 20:46

Skeeter wrote: S it looks like im gated off from that content it seems.
No you are not, stop making up things to complain, read and hear what is said. You can get to the same content via different approaches, with different details, as its pretty much common in say TC or AP.

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Post by Skeeter » Mon, 28. Aug 17, 21:06

They said each game start has unique mini plot arcs of sorts that's what I was referring to, I know some areas will be shared like getting teleporter, but u can't play one start and experience all the story missions as they will be locked to different starts from what they said. Or did we hear wrong? If one game has all story content then cool but its not what I heard AFAIK.
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Post by Nanook » Mon, 28. Aug 17, 21:18

Skeeter wrote:They said each game start has unique mini plot arcs of sorts that's what I was referring to....
I think they were referring to something like the Tormented Teladi and Poisoned Paranid starts in TC/AP. Those 'mini-plots' were unrelated to any of the main plots.

All regular plots were open to any of the different gamestarts, although there may have been slight differences in how they began (eg. the Terran plot in TC where it started differently depending on whether you were a Terran or Commonwealth pilot).
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Post by Alan Phipps » Mon, 28. Aug 17, 21:22

I'm guessing that every start will allow you a route to the essential/unique game progress items (XR examples: SETA, jumpdrive, etc and now teleporters). Each start will also give you access to 'equivalent' early game ships, weapons, etc and eventually allow you to amass sufficient funds to buy (or maybe to steal instead) whatever else you might need to progress and branch out later on.
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Post by Skeeter » Mon, 28. Aug 17, 21:23

Well I'm willing to see how it turns out come release date. I was just worried I "might" be locked from some content I was wanting to play on a single play through on the one game start is all. Sorry if it seemed I was over complaining on it.
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Post by xenoncore123 » Mon, 28. Aug 17, 21:28

Practically everything in this game would be impossible if there was a campaign mode, having a campaign with key locations such as stations and having those stations being destroyed would resolute in the campaign being non continuable.

I can see that they could add a campaign mode that disables warfare and faction progression and having it enabled at the end of the game.
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Post by Krushwarok » Mon, 28. Aug 17, 22:17

xenoncore123 wrote:Practically everything in this game would be impossible if there was a campaign mode, having a campaign with key locations such as stations and having those stations being destroyed would resolute in the campaign being non continuable.

I can see that they could add a campaign mode that disables warfare and faction progression and having it enabled at the end of the game.
They already stated at the presentation some plot object will be indestructible.

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Post by xenoncore123 » Mon, 28. Aug 17, 22:22

Yeah i went on twitch to look for the presentation, but unfortunatley the stream is in german.
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Post by Ketraar » Mon, 28. Aug 17, 22:23

https://youtu.be/T10iR69-PqQ

This one is in English, but has not that great sound.

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Post by Krushwarok » Mon, 28. Aug 17, 22:23

There is a youtube video here : https://youtu.be/T10iR69-PqQ?t=702

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Post by Golden_Gonads » Mon, 28. Aug 17, 22:25

I' glad this will have a plot (Actually, it never occurred to me that it wouldn't). Sure it's not specific to a character, but that's fine and to be expected.

A pure sandbox is really not my idea of fun, I need something to push me along (and then conveniently ignore whilst I amass wealth and an Empire).

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Post by SimB » Tue, 29. Aug 17, 10:34

I hope they focus on the gameplay and engine first and make it solid.
Justr have some Missions for us to get into the world.

Then...as they always tend to do...bring in more and more mysteries and stories via big patches and DLC.


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Don´t try to do it all at once...you are not a big enough developer for that...
I am wishing you all the best and am really looking forward to a REAL X experience! :)

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Post by blotunga » Tue, 29. Aug 17, 14:50

As I really suck at the start (well, probably I'm bad in all parts of the games), but still really love the X series, I would love a campaign (or more than one) to help set me up. Actually I liked X3:TC's campaign progressions the best so far. It introduced lots of cool player tech, which you could use when you were done with it, thus basically you had a less rough start.

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Post by SimB » Wed, 30. Aug 17, 10:02

blotunga wrote:As I really suck at the start (well, probably I'm bad in all parts of the games), but still really love the X series, I would love a campaign (or more than one) to help set me up. Actually I liked X3:TC's campaign progressions the best so far. It introduced lots of cool player tech, which you could use when you were done with it, thus basically you had a less rough start.
That is true. Terran Conflict was great from that perspective. I also loved how they added more and more to do via Patches/DLC.

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Post by Vandragorax » Wed, 30. Aug 17, 12:42

Lothari wrote:Hey, people!

To clarify: the approach we're taking with X4 is similar to that of Terran Conflict and Albion Prelude: multiple game-starts which put you in the shoes of different characters, each with their own smaller stories, as well as story lines that you can come across in multiple or all gamestarts.

As far as the "lore vs story" discussion goes, I will say this. Finding new ways to put across the lore of our very beloved universe is something we're alwys looking to do - it's always something we can improve on. I hope that we'll continue this trend with X4.

Generally, I'm happy with where we're at with the story of X4, both overarching and in-game, and am really excited to start proper work on it.
Sounds great, I do prefer less of the hand-holding, but still having interesting "plots" emerge that I can decide to take part in or not, at whatever moment. Sometimes I just like to drift around space admiring the views, or sit in a map screen for hours watching my traders making some money and diverting them away from danger :)

I found that in X:R with the story campaign mode, it was too much "go here do this go there do that" and if you wanted to explore outside of it or diverge from the 'story' there were so many bugs or possible things to go wrong that it just didn't work lol. The individual game starts were way more fun and I could make my own story, rebel against the corporations and become a pirate, trade my way to billions, build up a fleet and take on the xenon... whatever I wanted at any point. Not being stuck to a certain mission telling me where to go or what to do!

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Post by Skeeter » Wed, 30. Aug 17, 13:01

I'm the opposite, I'd want to be led around busy doing things to advance the story as I wana see the end before the sandbox part starts for me. Its nice to meet plot characters to talk to be given cool missions like escort a escaping convoy from intruders then go find where there coming from and report it to HQ. Like the story from fs2 or starlancer for example. Then when its over I can mess about with doing stuff tho not too bothered if I don't play sandbox as I'd get my fill from the campaign story if it was long (20hrs worth I hope) and satisfying.

Saying that I don't mind if a missions too hard I need a better ship or equipment then I can try get that before next mission starts.
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