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GathMemvar





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PostPosted: Wed, 26. Jul 17, 02:31    Post subject: X3AP: Frustration with two plots Reply with quote Print

Hi Folks,

I am running two plots right now in AP vanilla:
Corporation Troubles, share recovery #9 where you have track some dude down;
and Breaking Grounds, where you have to get some hacking chips.

In Share Recovery, I was supposed to follow some guy's ship. I did this fairly successfully until he wandered into a war sector where I had to evade enemy fire and capital ships. Unfortunately, he jumped away. I can't find him ANYWHERE, and no, I do not have an old save I can go back to. Am I hosed on this mission? Is there any way to restart it?

In Breaking Grounds, I need to dock at a Pirate base to pick up the hacking chips. The station is perma-red towards me; no number of hacking missions will fix it. Again, no previous save, and am I completely hosed on this mission?

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PostPosted: Wed, 26. Jul 17, 07:04    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Wow, I've never had that share recovery mission take me anywhere near a war sector - that's pretty unlucky. Sad Since already that's out of the ordinary, your quarry's jump-out behaviour might also be unusual (usually, he stays near, jumping to a couple of sectors away.) I can only give you advice that would help with a saved game (besides the advice to always keep game saves to allow you to roll back time!) - when following a target, put it on a monitor (I usually use monitor 1 at the top-left for my current target, so I put a special target on monitor 2 at the top-right) - I forget the hotkey now, but it's something like Shift-2 or perhaps Ctrl-2 (you can find that in the options, in the control customisations.) If your target leaves the sector you are in, the monitor will collapse but not close - you can then use it to get info on the target which will include the target's current sector.

For the other issue with that station: have you tried checking your IFF settings, to make sure you don't have Pirates set to 'enemy'? That would make the station show up as red. (It's a long shot at best - if you're getting hacking offers for it, it sounds like it genuinely IS red to you - but worth checking just in case.) As far as I'm aware (but I may be mistaken), that mission won't send you to a station that you don't have docking privileges for, meaning that if the station is truly hostile to you, that became the case since you got the mission - here, again, game saves would come in very handy...


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PostPosted: Wed, 26. Jul 17, 09:16    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Improving the overall Pirate opinion of you might help too. Do missions for them. Kill for them. Trade with them.


With regular race, if the race hates you then they are all angry due to that. Nobody can hack that general feeling.

However, individual (ships and stations) can personally dislike you too. They have a local blacklist of aggressors that they have met. That list you can hack.
("Met" includes you shooting at property of a station, e.g. "owned ships". Military bases own fleets. Pirate bases might too.)


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PostPosted: Wed, 26. Jul 17, 14:45    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

jlehtone wrote:
Improving the overall Pirate opinion of you might help too. Do missions for them. Kill for them. Trade with them.

With regular race, if the race hates you then they are all angry due to that. Nobody can hack that general feeling.


Yes, this is, in fact, most likely the case. If your relations with a faction are bad enough, then when you get a station hack for one of their stations, it essentially turns red again immediately.

Also, although pirates are identified as a single faction (they are all marked "Pirate"), they are not monolithic like that - they have internal subdivision into "clans" or such, each based in a different region - so you may be OK with the pirates around Hatikvah's Faith but be hated by the ones near Gaian Star, for example.


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PostPosted: Thu, 27. Jul 17, 01:16    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Hmm, I wasn't aware of the pirate sub-factions. I made some pretty intense M2+ fleet sweeps against the Gaian Star area, and that's where I need to go... I guess I'll have to set up some weed & booze plants and let them come and trade with me. I tried IFF and whatnot to no avail.

Still haven't found that guy I need to follow, but I'll keep looking.

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PostPosted: Thu, 27. Jul 17, 01:57    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

GathMemvar wrote:
Still haven't found that guy I need to follow, but I'll keep looking.
He'll be on the way to his mission destination, via the shortest route (no jumps for NPC mission ships). If you feel the need to search, search the corridor between where you last saw him & his destination


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PostPosted: Thu, 27. Jul 17, 03:17    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I don't know where the mission destination is, though. Only hint I got was "follow this dude until he docks at a station."

Did they say where he was going? I don't recall that being in the dialog.

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PostPosted: Thu, 27. Jul 17, 11:17    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

GathMemvar wrote:
I don't know where the mission destination is, though. Only hint I got was "follow this dude until he docks at a station."

Did they say where he was going? I don't recall that being in the dialog.


Once the bloke starts moving at the point where you first acquire him and get within, what, 15-20km (?), showing info on him will show you his destination, which you can then note down (obviously, at this point this doesn't help you, as that ship has sailed.) Also, if you bind the target to a monitor as previously described, I *think* the ship's destination will keep showing after that, but I'm not 100% sure about that (again I understand, not so useful at this stage, that horse having already bolted.)


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PostPosted: Thu, 27. Jul 17, 18:46    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Doesn't the mission guidance (for the Corporate mission) show anything?


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PostPosted: Thu, 27. Jul 17, 20:03    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

'Follow Missions' generally don't give guidance.


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PostPosted: Fri, 28. Jul 17, 03:25    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Hey there.

I note from Roguey's website (https://roguey.co.uk/x3ap/help/guides/corporation-troubles/) that share recovery mission #9 is "Returning a ship from a Xenon sector." Are you sure you are talking about the correct mission?

I've used Roguey's a lot and I've never known it to be wrong.

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PostPosted: Fri, 28. Jul 17, 14:46    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

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I note from Roguey's website (https://roguey.co.uk/x3ap/help/guides/corporation-troubles/) that share recovery mission #9 is "Returning a ship from a Xenon sector." Are you sure you are talking about the correct mission?


Ah, you're right, it's number 8, I was off by one. Issue remains the same, though.

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PostPosted: Sat, 29. Jul 17, 08:33    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

A minor thing to add that was already mentioned...but to elaborate...

Doing the really simple missions for pirates you find at trading stations (bring me some cahoonas, or some majaglit, stuff like that) has what seems to be a totally outsized effect on reputation, and near as I have made out it seems to be pirate wide rather than with a particular clan. Of course if you have the where with all you can also take the "bring me thousands of space fuel in twelve minutes" type missions from those same guys and bank a bunch of credits along with the rep. I've seen them pay as much as ten times max price.


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PostPosted: Sat, 29. Jul 17, 11:46    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

That's right. If Pirate ships go hostile to you (happens to me regularly because I keep taking missions involving Pirate hostiles) Just complete one mission, of any difficulty, from a Pirate, and all Pirate ships will flip back to blue to you.

The only type that will cause complications is Station building missions. If Pirates are hostile to you when you place the station, the station will be hostile too. I'd recommend avoiding them for the purpose of repairing Pirate rep. But finding someone to hack them after placing them shouldn't be that difficult too.

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PostPosted: Sat, 29. Jul 17, 15:03    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Jimmy C wrote:
That's right. If Pirate ships go hostile to you (happens to me regularly because I keep taking missions involving Pirate hostiles) Just complete one mission, of any difficulty, from a Pirate, and all Pirate ships will flip back to blue to you.

The only type that will cause complications is Station building missions. If Pirates are hostile to you when you place the station, the station will be hostile too. I'd recommend avoiding them for the purpose of repairing Pirate rep. But finding someone to hack them after placing them shouldn't be that difficult too.


So, earlier in the discussion it was mentioned that there are pirate factions. Is it ALL pirates that turn blue, or just that faction?

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