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PostPosted: Wed, 10. Jan 18, 15:54    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Joubarbe wrote:

I can say for sure that if I do a Mayhem 3, the jumpdrive will be removed from the game. This thing is not a good idea, especially with Mayhem, where it's all about conquering sectors. I imagine scouts and real defense; not some magic teleportation from anywhere. I'm saying this, because handling logistics without jumpdrive will sure be a challenge.


Instead of removing jump drives altogether, could I suggest an alternative? Make most sectors become connected via trans-orbital accelerators instead of jump gates. So for example, all the Argon territory around Argon Prime would be connected via trans-orbital accelerators. But there would be gates between Cloudbase Southwest and Emperor Mines, and between Three Worlds and Kingdom End, and between The Hole and Atreus's Clouds, just for example. So racial territory would be contiguous via trans-orbital accelerators, territory could be defended with chokepoints instead of just jumping past defenses, etc.

Personally, with such a change I would also enable all NPC freighters to use jump drive just like player UTs. They would still have to traverse sectors without gates, but transit times would be shortened somewhat for them.

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PostPosted: Wed, 10. Jan 18, 16:38    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I'm not sure the gates between races territories being jump capable would work with dynamic universe. What about something like this?
- Make JD a XL or ST ware size, so only large ships can use
- Place jump beacons through the universe. As time goes by, jump beacons get destroyed and placed in new places. Player shouldn't be able to place jump beacons.
- Block jumpdrive use if enemy unit is too close (15 km) and near gates
- Replace gates with TOA mechanic

I've played with all of the above on one mod in X3-R and it created really interesting situations.


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PostPosted: Wed, 10. Jan 18, 17:59    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Falcrack wrote:
Joubarbe wrote:

I can say for sure that if I do a Mayhem 3, the jumpdrive will be removed from the game. This thing is not a good idea, especially with Mayhem, where it's all about conquering sectors. I imagine scouts and real defense; not some magic teleportation from anywhere. I'm saying this, because handling logistics without jumpdrive will sure be a challenge.


Instead of removing jump drives altogether, could I suggest an alternative? Make most sectors become connected via trans-orbital accelerators instead of jump gates. So for example, all the Argon territory around Argon Prime would be connected via trans-orbital accelerators. But there would be gates between Cloudbase Southwest and Emperor Mines, and between Three Worlds and Kingdom End, and between The Hole and Atreus's Clouds, just for example. So racial territory would be contiguous via trans-orbital accelerators, territory could be defended with chokepoints instead of just jumping past defenses, etc.

Personally, with such a change I would also enable all NPC freighters to use jump drive just like player UTs. They would still have to traverse sectors without gates, but transit times would be shortened somewhat for them.


I may be in the minority here, but I just want to have a reminder:

Even X-Rebirth had had to resurrect the Jump drive because of the player cry! I used to play an X3 mod titled "New Horizons" where jump gates are replaced by TOAs, and boy! defending your ass-ets Smile was a real pain in the derriere!!!!!

In my current gate, the jump drive is not fast enough for me to defend my 25 sector empire. I can't think of a slow cruise through the sector to get the hot spot to defend a Sanctuary.

I would hate it if the enemy races can jump in to attack anywhere they want, but I can't do the same to defend!!!!!

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PostPosted: Wed, 10. Jan 18, 18:33    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Removing jumpdrives would not be possible in the current Mayhem universe. Many things would need to be modified, automatic spawning in first. Obviously, less ships, because you cannot defend all your sectors.

Do you teleport your units in a traditional RTS? Same thing. But I'm just talking about an idea here, not teasing. The teaser was the screenshot about the logistics Smile


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PostPosted: Wed, 10. Jan 18, 22:54    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Joubarbe, any idea on the date for Version 2.3.0? I keep drooling over the change log, not starting a new game until 2.3.0 is out.


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PostPosted: Wed, 10. Jan 18, 23:10    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

in previous page, he gave an estimate of the release date

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S'me again, I think I really bricked my game this time. I did an E/I, and in the mess of E/I-ing multiple times to figure out the boarding pods issue, all race shipyards now don't seem to release invasions at all. They just build up credits, their "currently building" just says N/A, even after I've left it on 10x for an hour. Have I totally bricked my game, and is the only recovery method to just start a new game?

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PostPosted: Thu, 11. Jan 18, 09:34    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Please provide a savegame.


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PostPosted: Thu, 11. Jan 18, 09:53    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

right yeah, here you are

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bpnqvt8povg1gxe/X02.sav?dl=0

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PostPosted: Fri, 12. Jan 18, 15:35    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Yep, something's wrong. Are you sure you used the latest EI module? Before exporting your empire I mean.


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PostPosted: Fri, 12. Jan 18, 16:50    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I believe so!

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PostPosted: Fri, 12. Jan 18, 17:15    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Because there's something other players had missed in the past: they export their game, then download latest E/I, then import. By doing that, they're trying to import information they did not export. Hence the messed up game.


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PostPosted: Fri, 12. Jan 18, 20:09    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

RE: The jumpdrive question. I think a workable compromise would be to make ALL gates trans orbital accelerators. But allow jumping on friendly beacons.

You then make placement and defense of jump beacons part of infrastructure building, and it also becomes a bit of a "home field advantage" in that once you set up your jump beacons, you can jump in a defensive fleet against a border incursion, but can't jump on an enemy beacon and so can't simply jump into enemy territory.

Friendly traders can also utilize a friendly jump beacon network.

If possible, add AI raids on jump beacon infrastructure part of enemy strategy, possibly in preparation for a general assault.

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20 hours of Elite, it gets boring! Phew, at last...

It gives me an idea for Mayhem 3: you start in an M5 and you never get rich enough to buy an M4. You struggle to have a better social rank, but that goes nowhere and you make no friends at all. At day 3, OCV chase you and destroy all your assets, which consist of... well, nothing.

Oh, and your wife left you for a M3 pilot.


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PostPosted: Fri, 12. Jan 18, 23:09    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Freedom for 2.3 now Laughing

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