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Post by stefanEgo » Fri, 24. Jul 15, 16:38

We've set up a wiki-system for the community where you can publish your own content now.
Please take a look at http://wiki.egosoft.com

Do not hesitate to add your own content, if you think it would be useful for others too.
If you run into problems/issues when using the Wiki or if you have suggestions to improve things, you can post these in this thread.

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Post by Sparky Sparkycorp » Tue, 5. Jan 16, 12:32

Update on wiki content for modders

There are lots potential sources of info that can help modders on the wiki and dotted around the forum (some on sticked pages, others having sunk out of sight). To help keep track of them the following wiki page, and it's child pages, contains the wiki info and hyperlinks to forum info.

Mods and modding support

As the above page (and some child pages) has just received a spring clean and a few additions, it's not a bad time to give it a little limelight :wink:

Summary of sources of info for modders:
1. The wiki hosts 12 Egosoft-created pages of info.
2. The wiki links [at least] 6 Egosoft-created non-wiki pages of info (linked on the wiki).
3. The forum hosts many player-created modding guides and tips (many linked on the wiki).

In the case of number 3, I'm sure I've only been able to scratched the surface. Please feel free to add as many useful hyperlinks to the lists as you like. Or similarly, feel free to create child pages on the wiki there if you'd like to write some info down.

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Post by Sparky Sparkycorp » Wed, 3. Feb 16, 01:35

Hi Kane,

Thanks for your feedback here. I think I have covered the main points from my limited knowledge but please feel free to follow-up.
Kane Hart wrote: If so that is not a wiki. It's some busted up script of a site.
Wikipedia defines a wiki as "a website which allows collaborative modification of its content and structure directly from the web browser". I think the X-Universe wiki offers that because anyone can create, edit and move content on it. Please see the wiki-based guide here (and the child pages to the left of that page) for further info.
Kane Hart wrote: Not only that but normally the person who sets up the wiki has to setup some basic rules, and layout but also included some sort of formatting guideline.
Basic rules are on the home pages, such as here for the Rebirth wiki. If you have some suggestions for improving them, you are welcome to provide feedback to either community-based moderators (myself for the English language wiki at this point) or stefanEgo from Egosoft. I'd suggest me so Stefan can focus on 4.00 beta but there isn't a rule for that yet! :)
Kane Hart wrote: I'm sorry but I suggest using something like media wiki but if the devs don't have the time or talent to setup the base wiki properly I suggest waiting or looking for a community member to do it instead.
This is a question that others would be able to answer better than I but from my perspective, there are already wikis and websites out there (for example, some have been listed on the wiki here). We're free to use and contribute to those or others as well/instead. Advantages of this wiki include that it's integrated into this forum and with some of Egosoft's ongoing internal work. For example, their sharing of UI modding documentation, and the UI changelog, which is based within Confluence's sister software, JIRA.

Is it the best wiki in the world for us players? I wouldn't know as I've only contributed to a couple of others but from your post I guess I could take it that it might not be. Is it one that Egosoft are already using and have opened up to us? Yes and that works for me, but it may not be everyone's cup of tea.

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Post by Snafu_X3 » Thu, 18. Feb 16, 03:54

OK, I've been thinking about some problems for the last few months. There appears to be no Wiki page dedicated to problems with the Wiki, so I'll post them here prior to creating such a page..

Editing
  • Text cursor vanishes/reappears (seemingly at random), making quick & accurate typo-fixes difficult & time-consuming

    The visual ability to drag & drop selected text (as in eg MS Word) is there, but the /action/ doesn't do anything. Pease either remove the visual or fix the action!

    'Leading' (space between lines) isn't consistent; <shift-enter> allows minimal leading; <Enter> by itself produces 1.5x leading (ie for paragraph breaks).. most of the time (table entries tend to show this anomaly). This action should be swapped IMO to lead to more consistent understanding with most editing tools

    Losing (visible) cursor after edits.. as above
'Child space'
A good idea, but desperately needs to be made more obvious to the viewer. A standout background colour for the sidebar perhaps? Or simply list the tree branches (links) as plain text (small font), thus making the column wider & more immediately visible..

Ah! Just discovered the >> 'expand sidebar' button; that makes things a lot better but it could be ..umm.. promoted/advertised a little better? Move it to the top of the sidebar so it's immediately visible?

(I am in no way a web dev so common terms to them may be lost on me; very basic HTML is as far as my knowledge goes)

I still don't understand what 'Space tools' are or why they may be accessible to /content/ mods, but I'll hope this is resolved at some point in the future (see above WRT my lack of website experience).. Perhaps a brief guide would help? ;) (If posted on the wiki make it 'mod-accessible' only ofc)

(minor gripe): no spellcheck highlighting for /obvious/ typos; I don't expect Devs to implement a full multi-language checker but something basic would be convenient :)


All these actions were undertaken in Firefox (Windows) 64, latest version, with Noscript disabled for this site (Adblock+ still running)
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Never played AP; all X3 advice is based on vanilla+bonus pack TC or before: AP has not changed much WRT general advice.

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Post by X2-Illuminatus » Thu, 18. Feb 16, 18:14

Snafu_X3 wrote:here appears to be no Wiki page dedicated to problems with the Wiki, so I'll post them here prior to creating such a page..
There is one already: Known issues in the Wiki system
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Post by Snafu_X3 » Thu, 18. Feb 16, 19:39

Ah; Tks X2-I - I missed that :oops:
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Wiki X3:TC vanilla: Guide to generic missions, Guide to finding & capping Aran
Never played AP; all X3 advice is based on vanilla+bonus pack TC or before: AP has not changed much WRT general advice.

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Post by NewtSoup » Mon, 3. Oct 16, 15:35

Wiki is currently broken. There's a message saying Confluence failed to bootstrap. Has been this way for 2 days now.
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Post by ADMNtek » Mon, 3. Oct 16, 15:57

NewtSoup wrote:Wiki is currently broken. There's a message saying Confluence failed to bootstrap. Has been this way for 2 days now.
probably has to do with the entire egosoft site being broken over the weekend. i expect a server crash.

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Post by Sparky Sparkycorp » Mon, 3. Oct 16, 16:02

Thanks for reporting.

It may relate to the parallel forum outage that is now fixed.

Devs informed about the wiki problem too.

Edit: Ninjaed :)

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Post by Sparky Sparkycorp » Wed, 16. Aug 17, 09:55

Please note that some maintenance to the Wiki is underway this week, which may break existing hyperlinks you may have/find in the short term.

The Wiki should remain usable but pages may not be where they were in the past.

Changelog:
- Moving general pages (e.g. on how to use the Wiki) from the "X Rebirth Wiki" Space to a new "Wiki - Introductions (en/de) Home" Space since the Wiki evolved to gain new Spaces for X3 games.
- Some minor reorganisation of remaining X Rebirth Wiki pages alongside removal of a depreciated level in the hierarchy ("English Wiki").

Similar changes will occur in parallel to the German language Wiki pages.

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Post by Reven » Fri, 17. Nov 17, 22:44

Perhaps a PEBCAK problem, but I can't see a way to register as a user there and it doesn't accept my forum username/password.
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Post by Alan Phipps » Fri, 17. Nov 17, 23:13

@ Reven: If you click the 'show more' link in the opening 'Welcome to the X Rebirth Wiki.' box then all will be revealed. In short, you cannot register and don't even need to.
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Post by Reven » Fri, 17. Nov 17, 23:28

Ah. I never looked at the Rebirth page.

I understand about the login issue. However, If all contributions are going to be anonymous then there will be several problems. Wiki is an egalitarian concept, but if it gains momentum there will be a need for different levels of access to avoid defacement. Also it will be much easier to attract quality contributors if their contributions are recognized, not to mention that it's difficult to foster the necessary meta-discussions among contributors this way.

Is the license something that is going to be upgraded? There are some fantastic open source solutions that would be ideal.
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Post by Sparky Sparkycorp » Sat, 18. Nov 17, 02:21

Thanks for your interest in this platform :)
Reven wrote:Wiki is an egalitarian concept, but if it gains momentum there will be a need for different levels of access to avoid defacement.
Two years in, this hasn't been a problem so far (!). Changes are easy revert if needed and I've no doubt Egosoft have some tricks up their sleeve if need be.

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Post by Reven » Tue, 21. Nov 17, 04:26

The defacement issue is a small part of my point. It's good to be able to log in and get a list of your contributions. It's good from an organizational point, and from an ownership perspective. It's good to have a user page with space to lay out your plans and organize your thoughts, a place for collaboration and communication. Without logins there is no ability to track changes and contributions made to your pet projects. In short, it's difficult for people to take ownership. Wiki is all about people taking initiative and fostering a pride of contribution, community, and ownership. Wiki contributions are made when someone sees a need and takes ownership of the problem and does something to fix it. A faceless environment is not a good way to foster that.
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