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PostPosted: Sun, 10. Jun 18, 20:06    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

When was the last time you read through the LU wiki? Cause it's also already explained in there.


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PostPosted: Fri, 15. Jun 18, 11:44    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I remember litcube mentioning a "next update" on multiple occasions, does a time frame for release exist already or are we betting on Duke for now?

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PostPosted: Fri, 15. Jun 18, 23:21    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Hey all Smile

I started playing again recently and have been having a blast as usual. However, I have a query if anyone can help...

Very luckily a Skirnir bailed during a fight with some Pirates and I got to it before the salvage crews. It had 200 or so of the Ghoul light - anti-fighter - missile as well as the heavier Shadow missile.

After I'd got it up to spec, equipped and shielded I had a play around with it. I set one Missile Turret to attack capitals and the other to attack fighters. However, it appears to always use its most powerful missile - the Shadow - against all targets. Is there any way to have it behave more sensibly? Most of my heavy missiles got spammed vs Fighters. Sure, they were very effective, but I'd rather the lighter missiles got used first.

Is there some setting / equipment option I'm missing perhaps? I've noticed AI M7M's behave similarly, only launching their lighter missiles once the heavies are gone.

Note: I'm aware I just *just* equip the light missiles, but that's not really the point, I'd like this ship to be multi-role without re-equipping each time.

All advice welcome Smile

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PostPosted: Sat, 16. Jun 18, 01:23    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Check MLCC page at Litcube's Universe Wiki. There is feature which perfectly match your needs.

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PostPosted: Sat, 16. Jun 18, 14:12    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

AdriPL wrote:
Check MLCC page at Litcube's Universe Wiki. There is feature which perfectly match your needs.


Thanks for the tip. I'm sorta a bit too early-game currently, not having an appropriate dock for the Skirnir in order for MLCC to be set up. My query was more asking about a more basic solution, but I guess there isn't one.

Ah well, not to worry, I just need to work up the rep to get an appropriate station Smile

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PostPosted: Tue, 19. Jun 18, 01:03    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Another question, if anyone can help...

The Anti-Fighter Ghoul Missile my M7M uses looks like a multi-warhead missile judging by its Icon and the fact that it's M7M only. However, every volley my Skirnir fires uses lots of Missiles.

When using the larger Shadow Missile, the missile count goes down much less per volley fired, yet multiple warheads are still seen.

When one 45k cr missile has multiple warheads, it makes it fairly effective cost-wise, however I'm spamming through missiles at an alarming rate currently. Considering it takes between 2-5 of these missiles to take out one M3 fighter, depending on hull and shielding...

Note: out of interest I have the "Types" folder extracted, so I could poke around to see what's going on... I might just do that. Anyone else noticed this oddity with the Ghoul missile?

Edit: I just checked with X3 Editor 2 and neither the Ghoul or the Shadow are showing as Multi-warhead. Interestingly, neither is the Wasp, which does fire multiple warheads...most odd.

Edit 2: Perhaps I'm just miss-remembering how these missile work....or I've gotten myself confused from using another mod. I suspect M7M's are designed to be VERY costly as they're hugely OP vs. anything when in-sector...

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PostPosted: Tue, 19. Jun 18, 07:57    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

In X3 Editor, multi warheads missiles are noted with the "Fragmentation" checkbox. That is indeed the case for Wasps, Ghouls and Shadows.


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PostPosted: Tue, 19. Jun 18, 20:01    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Yes, M7Ms could be OP against capitals because the enemy isn't using countermeasures that well (although LU has added Chaff and Missile Defense Only for missile turrets that should effectively counter missile spam but I haven't noticed OCV or Phanon making much use of that). There's a bit of balance against missile spam from the fact that missiles cost a lot and/or require some significant investments to produce large quantities of them.


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PostPosted: Tue, 19. Jun 18, 20:04    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Joubarbe wrote:
In X3 Editor, multi warheads missiles are noted with the "Fragmentation" checkbox. That is indeed the case for Wasps, Ghouls and Shadows.


Thanks for the clarification... however, why do the Ghoul missiles on my Skirnir not break into separate warheads then?

The Skirnir has 2 x 8 missile tubes and, if I turn one off, it fires 8 missiles each salvo and uses 8 missiles from inventory, as you'd expect. The 8 missiles then form a circle and spiral towards their target, they do not become multiple separate warheads.

I'll watch again closely next time I fire up the game, but the 8 missiles launched do not break up into separate munitions.

It's not a huge deal, but when you expect a missile to break into several warheads each doing a set amount of damage the missile looks like ok value. When however you realise that you're not getting a damage multiplier in this way they become...well, not great.

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PostPosted: Tue, 19. Jun 18, 20:06    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

memeics wrote:
Yes, M7Ms could be OP against capitals because the enemy isn't using countermeasures that well (although LU has added Chaff and Missile Defense Only for missile turrets that should effectively counter missile spam but I haven't noticed OCV or Phanon making much use of that). There's a bit of balance against missile spam from the fact that missiles cost a lot and/or require some significant investments to produce large quantities of them.


The M8 class - which has very effective anti-missile potential of course - is a very rare sight in my game. Additionally, while I see ships with CCDS (usually Mk1) installed, these ships don't appear to be any better protected. Perhaps they're running out of Chaff.

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PostPosted: Tue, 19. Jun 18, 22:11    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I don't get it. I've tried to install this mod on MS-DOS, and it gives me an error. Help me please.


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PostPosted: Tue, 19. Jun 18, 23:47    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Ensure that you are running the latest MS-DOS version, I believe that's 6.22.


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PostPosted: Wed, 20. Jun 18, 05:18    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

So i installed LU and:

- it throw up error that exe is not right, but after yes it goes into game ? Is it normal ?
- Why x360pad buttons and color coding is removed from LU ? It uses AP so it should have those... Or is it due to ****** up install.

edit:

So i have read more about it. It looks like LU is made with previous version of Albion Prelude in mind while egosoft updated AP.

Is it safe to play LU ? Is there any update on horizon ?

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PostPosted: Wed, 20. Jun 18, 10:39    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Scoob wrote:
Joubarbe wrote:
In X3 Editor, multi warheads missiles are noted with the "Fragmentation" checkbox. That is indeed the case for Wasps, Ghouls and Shadows.


Thanks for the clarification... however, why do the Ghoul missiles on my Skirnir not break into separate warheads then?

The Skirnir has 2 x 8 missile tubes and, if I turn one off, it fires 8 missiles each salvo and uses 8 missiles from inventory, as you'd expect. The 8 missiles then form a circle and spiral towards their target, they do not become multiple separate warheads.


if the missiles are spiraling around, then they do break off, as thats the swarm behavior.

whats most likely happening is that missiles are stacked on top of each other.

if you fire 8 none swarm missiles, you will probably find that it looks like only 1 has fired


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PostPosted: Wed, 20. Jun 18, 19:04    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Swarm missiles also don't go into their spiral formation if the target is very close.


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