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PostPosted: Tue, 26. Dec 17, 13:39    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Golden_Gonads wrote:
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As far as I know they didn't say anything but it is possible I just missed that. If they said anything about it I hope it was "when it is ready" Smile


Fair enough. I just wondered if they live up to what they said - That they'd include a 'roadmap to completion' in this announcement/video. But nope.


Why should they include the roadmap in this video? I think after the 2018 strategic meetings in January they are going to add the roadmap to the schedule page.

The way they are going to present their progress will change quite a lot. You can read this on the SQ42 page if I am not mistaken.

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PostPosted: Tue, 26. Dec 17, 23:00    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

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Why should they include the roadmap in this video?


Because thats what they said they would do. From the October 13th weekly newsletter:
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Squadron 42 will be the focus of our Holiday Livestream in December, where we will preview some gameplay and share our roadmap for its completion.


It's just (yet) another statement they didn't live up to. And seeing as they made said statement barely two months ago... Bah!

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PostPosted: Wed, 27. Dec 17, 22:24    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

CIG and PR... Seems people haven't even realized or forgot about it XD

I have to admit, that I never thought they share a roadmap in the video. Doesn't make much sense to me.

On the other hand, I can play the Alpha 3.0 quite stable with 27-30 fps. Flying from Port Olisar to a planet, land, run around, doing some cargo runs and some dogfighting in this beautiful universe is quite nice. It shows a lot of potential and I have enough other games to play.

Perhaps don't be so salty about every tidbit, eh?

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PostPosted: Wed, 27. Dec 17, 23:31    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

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Perhaps don't be so salty about every tidbit, eh?


It's the fact they don't live up to promises. Squadron 42 was supposed to be released in 2014, then 2015, 2016 then surely in 2017 and now possibly not 2018... I'm grumpy.

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PostPosted: Thu, 28. Dec 17, 00:56    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

raess2013 wrote:
Perhaps don't be so salty about every tidbit, eh?


So does this mean that as long as they showed you something you thought "cool" or "liked", that they'd never have to actually do a release? You'd be happy for eternal updates and posts about stuff they're doing?

There really is no need to defend CR, he's a big boy and I'm positive knows what is being said. People's criticisms and concerns are valid; there's nothing wrong with criticising along reasonable lines.

Of course they'll have to keep waiting, and hopefully this game really will be everything to everyone. Of course it won't, but as long as it gives 1/10th of what I hoped then it'll still be fricken brilliant.

But I cannot really criticise people for pulling them up on things they've said/promised, yet failed to deliver. That's fair enough...


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PostPosted: Thu, 28. Dec 17, 11:46    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

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Perhaps don't be so salty about every tidbit, eh?


So does this mean that as long as they showed you something you thought "cool" or "liked", that they'd never have to actually do a release? You'd be happy for eternal updates and posts about stuff they're doing?

There really is no need to defend CR, he's a big boy and I'm positive knows what is being said. People's criticisms and concerns are valid; there's nothing wrong with criticising along reasonable lines.

Of course they'll have to keep waiting, and hopefully this game really will be everything to everyone. Of course it won't, but as long as it gives 1/10th of what I hoped then it'll still be fricken brilliant.

But I cannot really criticise people for pulling them up on things they've said/promised, yet failed to deliver. That's fair enough...


You realise that I agree with you? The difference is, that for me this roadmap thing is not a big deal, they will share it eventually. It's typical CIG, they most likely have good reasons to not show the roadmap, but they are unable to follow up on it and inform the backers (and they are by far not the only company that has problems with this).

The video showed clear progress, I liked what I saw and for me the Alpha 3.0 - performance wise - is in a good enough state to test some things and make some nice screenies.
So why should I be worried at all?

They will release SC and SQ42 eventually if these games are fun to play, I just wait and see, I have much more important things to worry about than a computer game in development.

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PostPosted: Thu, 28. Dec 17, 13:57    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

The point others are making is that if you do not hold promises to account, then promises are seen as optional / meaningless.

Yes, it should be questioned and every time they do something like this they should be questioned about it. Hopefully they'd start to think "hang on a minute, maybe we shouldn't say X this time as we're not sure it'll actually be ready".

That way it will create trust. Failing, even "trivial" things creates more scepticism instead.


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PostPosted: Thu, 28. Dec 17, 23:18    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

raess2013 wrote:
The difference is, that for me this roadmap thing is not a big deal, they will share it eventually. It's typical CIG, they most likely have good reasons to not show the roadmap, but they are unable to follow up on it and inform the backers (and they are by far not the only company that has problems with this).


For you, yes. For others (me), it is a fairly big deal. Oh the lack of the roadmap isn't that big a thing, it's more the fact that they said it would be there and they reneged on that just two months later without a whisper of why. The only reason I can think of as to why, is that they're going to delay it still further (which reading comments about the video (not watched it myself, I want to enter the game if and when it surfaces completely clean) would be to get the space combat up to a decent standard).

CIG have got terrible communication. They've acknowledged such in the past and... Done almost nothing to improve it. This latest lapse to me is more egregious than the rest of their broken statements due to the pitiful amount of time between saying they would do something and then... Not doing it.

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Duke Nukem: Forever

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PostPosted: Thu, 4. Jan 18, 10:28    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

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Duke Nukem: Forever


It's got another decade before it's delayed THAT long.

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PostPosted: Mon, 8. Jan 18, 19:02    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Jesus now they are selling Tanks for 100 Euro, WTF has Tanks got to do with a Space Sim, at this point I can't see how anyone who originally backed (pre hype, back with Wingman's Nutz) could still be expecting anything like we originally thought, i.e Modern Wingcommander/Freelancer type game.

At what point do you not just finish the core game, why on earth are they spending money and assigning staff to develop bloody Tanks rather than the core experience.


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PostPosted: Mon, 8. Jan 18, 19:50    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

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Jesus now they are selling Tanks for 100 Euro,...


I just had to look that one up.

Yep, here it is, $95.99 USD - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/ships/nova-tank/Tumbril-Nova-Tank

Friggin' stupid.

This isn't a game. It's a dream seller. "Give us money and you can imagine yourself having this cool tank while playing a game where it does stuff and things."

They call these "Pledges" right? But, you actually don't "pledge" to give something - You hand over cold, hard, cash, right?

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PostPosted: Mon, 8. Jan 18, 20:26    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Erm, wut? Laughing

As usual, will just keep waiting... developing ground doesn't mean the space part won't be super awesome - but i'd imagine most would sacrifice ground for actually getting to play the space part?

Meh, just waiting and waiting and waiting Very Happy


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I'm figuring this won't be ready in my lifetime. Or, if it is ready, I'll have lost interest in gaming by then. In the meantime, I'm enjoying the parade of new features and items and would be happy enough if that's all it ever amounts to.

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Observe wrote:
I'm figuring this won't be ready in my lifetime. Or, if it is ready, I'll have lost interest in gaming by then. In the meantime, I'm enjoying the parade of new features and items and would be happy enough if that's all it ever amounts to.


When it does finally come out, you'll be able to play it on your own space-station. In space. With space stuffs. It'll be an whole new retro era for gaming!

"Lookit! They did it in "3D" using "graphics!" Lolz. What'ya think of that $@GWWRKLIOngbrug%?"

"Beep bork snizzlefit"

"I know, right? Lolz."

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