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Sam97531
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 Posted: Thu, 31. May 12, 16:03 Post subject: [Rebirth] Are there single-seat style fighters (non-player) |
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I know I know, we have an ugly M6 millenium falcon uber ship. But does the game actually still have, that M3-M5 class of ship in general? Regardless of whether a player can fly them or not.
Obviously this is of interest to me so that I can dream about mods, expansions, etc...
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squirrelrider
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| Posted: Thu, 31. May 12, 16:09 Post subject: |
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They'll surely be there. It's not like all the universe will be populated with albion skunks. That would utterly and literally stink.
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Hektos
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| Posted: Thu, 31. May 12, 18:05 Post subject: |
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| squirrelrider wrote: |
| They'll surely be there. It's not like all the universe will be populated with albion skunks. That would utterly and literally stink. |
I see what you did there   (extra smiley just for you)
But yeah, there will still definitely be all sizes and shapes of ships. Not that it's been officially confirmed, but common sense would agree here that it would be extremely silly for them not to have it that way.
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| Posted: Thu, 31. May 12, 20:46 Post subject: |
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allso you can see some M3 M4 looking ships in the trailer , and the X rebirth art wallpaper , there are fighters that look like there got a cockpit the seize of a argon
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| Posted: Thu, 31. May 12, 21:32 Post subject: |
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I think in one of the stickies or Bernd posted some where that there will be fighter sized ships just the classification we used in X3 and such will not be there. But, yeah. IT would be silly not to have such as I'm sure there are plenty of eople out there who like flying in one and or cannot afford a corvette to fly around in.
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Huillam
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| Posted: Fri, 8. Jun 12, 22:36 Post subject: |
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Drones (remotely controled) may replace m3/4/5 ships.
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Freya Nocturne
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| Posted: Sat, 9. Jun 12, 10:25 Post subject: |
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| Huillam wrote: |
| Drones (remotely controled) may replace m3/4/5 ships. |
So the IRL near future, Makes sence I suppose, but I like my fighters... call me olde school.
(is a seasoned and famous badass ace in World of Warplanes, people fear my name, fighter combat is in my blood)
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ConCorDian
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| Posted: Sat, 9. Jun 12, 12:03 Post subject: |
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Bernd did say that there would still be pretty much all the types of ships we are used to, just im assuming they will be classified differently, so some sort of fighters yes, big destroyers, yes, frigates, yes... just we wont be able to directly fly them... but im on the assumption we can command them to do things. our fighting will be done via the VR suite on the Skunk taking control of drones, which im actually really starting to warm upto the idea.
think about it, we are now starting to use UAV's just now, and they are even taking up limited combat roles, 1000's of years down the line youd imagine we would have remote controlled vessels totally licked, allowing us to use them as effectivly as piloting it yourself, meaning you could do the damage with less risk... it makes sense, and i think it might make for a decent DiD style game!!! (if they can knock all the connection and game glitches out aswell)
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Coreblimey
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| Posted: Sun, 10. Jun 12, 10:50 Post subject: |
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| Huillam wrote: |
Drones (remotely controled) may replace m3/4/5 ships.
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Now I haven't read a lot about XR because I like surprises (but hopefully not shocks!) so that when/if the game is released I can enjoy discovering how to actually play the game.
The way I interpret things is that drones are not replacing m3/4/5 ships. The drones are m3/4/5 or larger ships. It's just that they are pilot-less. When you control these drones via VR it would be as if you are in the cockpit yourself, but your not. So if the drone is destroyed you live on without ejecting. All you do then is put another coin in the slot, send out another drone and 'pilot' it, ad infinitum, or at least until the last drone is destroyed.
And please, nobody spoil my dreams! Pretty please!
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| Posted: Sun, 10. Jun 12, 11:00 Post subject: |
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m3/m4/m5 or as they will now be known as "drones" will be pilotable and controlled using a virtual interface with the drone, this will appear to be exactly the same perspective as the player has when playing a vanilla version of x3, the difference being they will be expendable as the player wont die if the drone is taken out. There will be just as many ships to control if not more but in the game word you are essentially taking on the role of another pilot rather than transporting to the ship. The only exeptions will be capital ships which you will no longer be able to manouver yourself with a contoller, these will require orders to be given to the ships captain.
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| Posted: Sun, 10. Jun 12, 12:50 Post subject: |
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| Dougeye wrote: |
| The only exeptions will be capital ships which you will no longer be able to manouver yourself with a contoller, these will require orders to be given to the ships captain. |
Well my dreams haven't been spoiled. Perhaps a tiny little dent put in them. But i'm still .
By orders do you mean "Okay. Left hand up a bit, pull back on the throttle. Steady as you go." or "Get over there now! And when I say 'now' I mean 5 minutes ago you scurvy ridden land-lubber!" type of order?
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dougeye
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| Posted: Sun, 10. Jun 12, 12:53 Post subject: |
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i expect it will be text/vocal dialogue commands to issue specific orders like "attack this target" for example but i am also hoping for a strategy style UI were you can give more detailed orders to you fleet like in a real time strategy map view on the fly.
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| Posted: Sun, 10. Jun 12, 13:25 Post subject: |
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| dougeye wrote: |
| i expect it will be text/vocal dialogue commands to issue specific orders like "attack this target" for example but i am also hoping for a strategy style UI were you can give more detailed orders to you fleet like in a real time strategy map view on the fly. |
Oh dear! There goes another dent in my dreams! I was never very good at RTS type games. But never mind. I'm at the very least still
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Sam97531
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| Posted: Wed, 13. Jun 12, 15:54 Post subject: |
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| ConCorDian wrote: |
think about it, we are now starting to use UAV's just now, and they are even taking up limited combat roles, 1000's of years down the line youd imagine we would have remote controlled vessels totally licked, allowing us to use them as effectivly as piloting it yourself, meaning you could do the damage with less risk... it makes sense, and i think it might make for a decent DiD style game!!! (if they can knock all the connection and game glitches out aswell) |
Please lets avoid this topic. It has been discussed to death, and much more so on the military forums ("trolled" by ex and current fighter pilots and craft crews).
The reason drones exist and are a viable solution is due to the lack of electronic warfare complexity posed by the most obvious enemy.
Assuming enemies of equal advanced complexity, free air signals are the last method you want to control any sort of military hardware. If you want to discuss complete self sufficient self encased AI shielded against external EW, then you may have a valid discussion. Remotely controlled "drones" are simply very effective against an inferior enemy - So unless X-rebirth is the equivalent of the US drone bombing Yemen and Afghanistan, reality should not play into this conversation at all.
Basically, the US fighting the US, would render each others drones completely ineffective should the need arise. However, as the US is not threatened by the US, the need does not arise and drones seem invincible.
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ConCorDian
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| Posted: Wed, 13. Jun 12, 16:13 Post subject: |
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okay you start off by saying:
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| Please lets avoid this topic. It has been discussed to death, |
and then go on to write:
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The reason drones exist and are a viable solution is due to the lack of electronic warfare complexity posed by the most obvious enemy.
Assuming enemies of equal advanced complexity, free air signals are the last method you want to control any sort of military hardware. If you want to discuss complete self sufficient self encased AI shielded against external EW, then you may have a valid discussion. Remotely controlled "drones" are simply very effective against an inferior enemy - So unless X-rebirth is the equivalent of the US drone bombing Yemen and Afghanistan, reality should not play into this conversation at all.
Basically, the US fighting the US, would render each others drones completely ineffective should the need arise. However, as the US is not threatened by the US, the need does not arise and drones seem invincible |
contradictory much?
a point for you (and you can take it to your military forums if you like), that is basing it solely on todays technology... this is how far in the future? technology changes, communications technology will change, and NOBODY and i mean NOBODY can say that the future communication technologies will be less, as, more secure than what they currently are... so all of your "ex and current fighter pilots and craft crews" are talking out of a hole that shouldn't speak shall we say if they are trying to comment on the future this way.... as a matter of fact i was at a lecture with 2 high level PHd's who were in a place to comment on this and for all they can not say for certain they said that point to point secure transmissions were making real leaps forward and that it is more likey than not that truly secure communications could occur....
why else would the UK, US, Chinese etc etc governments be investing as much money into UCAV technology if it was inherantly useless unless fighting against vastly inferior foes?
another point for you, THIS IS SCI FI!! yes we look at technology now and try to base it semi on realistic factors, but at the end of the day its fiction!! it doesn't matter.
therefore my point stands
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