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[MOD] [TC/AP] X3 Rebalance Mod (XRM) - Total conversion - v1.30d (02.12.13)
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PostPosted: Tue, 31. Jul 18, 17:01    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

You should only generate a wall file if you use the script "Bounce" (which is a completely separate download and has no connection to XRM whatsoever).

As you have analyzed, you don't have installed XRM correctly. I suggest you try again and ask if a part of the install instructions is unclear.


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PostPosted: Tue, 31. Jul 18, 17:37    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Paul said this at some point:

"The only thing that causes mammoths everywhere is a conflicting tships. Possible reasons are:

1 - youre not deleting the bounce cat/dat after generating your wall file.

2 - you are not starting a new game after removing the bounce cat/dat.

3 - your cat/dats are not consecutively numbered.

4 - you have another mod which has a tships in it.

Whatever the cause, the game cannot see the XRM tships."



Look at number 1. This is why I mentioned it. My suspicions were 100% justified. At number 2; irrelevant, I didn't add any bounce stuff. Number 3; they are. And 4; wrong. I've only installed XP: AP and then XRM. NOTHING ELSE.

Either the mod is broken (most likely) or these ships are supposed to be Mammoths. Or the instructions are missing some steps for no reason. I've tried loads of mods in my days and man, so many of them have terrible instructions.


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PostPosted: Tue, 31. Jul 18, 19:42    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Lenient wrote:
Either the mod is broken (most likely) or these ships are supposed to be Mammoths. Or the instructions are missing some steps for no reason. I've tried loads of mods in my days and man, so many of them have terrible instructions.

Given that the mod works fine for so many others, why would you say it is likely broken?

Anyway, use X3 Editor 2 to track down what is wrong in your install. Its VFS display will show the highest priority files the game will see. 'addon/types/Jobs.txt' has the Boron transporter; its assigned ship type is SS_SH_B_TSP. 'addon/types/Ships.txt' has the various ships; there should be a matching ID at entry 377. If there is no match, look at where those files are being sourced from in the VFS; they should be from the same XRM catalog.

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PostPosted: Tue, 31. Jul 18, 20:01    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I think so because I did everything correctly. Seriously, you have to believe me.

This seems a bit complex. I found the 5 different "Military Supply Transporter" jobs. ID 377 seems to be the Dolphin Sentinel, right? The ship class coincides in Jobs.txt. I don't know what's wrong. I could take pictures using Gyazo to illustrate.

Do I uncheck the Vanguard and Hauler variants (that's what it is right now without changing anything) and check the Sentinel variant? Will that fix it?


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PostPosted: Tue, 31. Jul 18, 20:21    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Yes on the Dolphin Sentinel. It sounds like your files match up. I'm pretty sure the variant flags get ignored when a specific ship type is requested.

My other thought: are you starting a new game, or just loading an existing game to see if the mammoths went away? With the way X3 works, once the ship (mammoth) is selected and spawned, it will not be affected by messing around with the selection criteria. You need to start a new game, or else kill all of the bad mammoths off so that they eventually respawn properly.

If there is still a problem in a new game, one other thing to check for is a loose TShips.txt or TShips.pck file in the addon/types folder (not in a catalog file), though the X3 Editor VFS should pick up on that if present. There is also the "select mod package" option in the X3 launcher that could cause problems if in use.

My final thought is that the XRM installation is different between TC and AP (since most AP source files are in the addon folder), but it doesn't sound like that is the problem here.

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PostPosted: Tue, 31. Jul 18, 20:45    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I tried it just now, started a new game as an Argon, flew to a Teladi sector. Right away I see a "Teladi Military Supply Transporter" in a Mammoth.

I have a TShips.txt file in the types folder within the addon folder. This was made to remove the engine trails that caused a lot of performance issues for me. I should hope that isn't the culprit, as it shouldn't fiddle with jobs.

Interestingly, the types folder did not exist before, I had to create it.

There's a "TShips pre editing" file. I'm guessing that's not the problem.

Either way, seems like there's not much to do. Maybe I can remove these jobs somehow?


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PostPosted: Tue, 31. Jul 18, 21:07    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Can you verify if that modified TShips.txt has the extra XRM ships in it, like the Dolphin Sentinel? Your problem is consistent with those entries being missing. X3 will only load the highest priority version of each file found, so the modified tships will block out the one in the XRM catalog file.

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PostPosted: Tue, 31. Jul 18, 21:37    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I Ctrl-F'ed for "Dolphin" and couldn't find any entries. Is there any real loss if I just remove these jobs and start a new game / wait for all of them to die out? They don't seem to have much of a point, aside from fly around to get killed.


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PostPosted: Tue, 31. Jul 18, 21:48    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Lenient wrote:
I think so because I did everything correctly. Seriously, you have to believe me.
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This is what all people say before they actually follow the install instructions correctly.


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PostPosted: Tue, 31. Jul 18, 22:20    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

If you have a non-XRM tships file, you are missing all of its ship edits on top of every XRM ship spawning as a mammoth (not just those traders). If you want to remove engine trails, you need to do it by modifying the XRM tships.

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PostPosted: Tue, 31. Jul 18, 23:12    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I followed this guide here: https://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=308111&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

Page 2, by BlackArchon.

So there's another way of removing engine trails? I assume this one is even more complicated.


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PostPosted: Tue, 31. Jul 18, 23:47    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I'm guessing that code should work if run on the right tships file. Maybe try moving that tships file somewhere else (or renaming) and starting a new game to see if the mammoth problem persists. Or open that tships file in x3 editor to verify it matches the one in the catalog for ship counts and such (like having the dolphin sentinel).

My customization tool (link in sig) has a Simplify_Engine_Trails option that does the same thing, removing engine trails, which worked fine for me with XRM. The central edit is similar to BlackArchon's code, though with more automated catalog extraction and repacking and such, with an option to use vanilla engine trails instead of complete removal. You can also do the edit manually in X3 Editor by changing the "particle emitter" field for each ship in tships, as I recall.


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PostPosted: Wed, 1. Aug 18, 14:31    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

just to confirm, the issue with lots of Mammoths is usually a mismatch between the jobs and the TShips file. So if either of those have changed, then it'll cause an issue.

as you have changed the TShips file, that is whats breaking the mod.
simply removing them from jobs wont really work. As you will also be missing all the ship rebalancing, as well as any new ships that are added. Which is a large part of the mod. And scripts that also reference those ships will no longer work correctly


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PostPosted: Wed, 1. Aug 18, 18:11    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I will try your tool, SirNukes. Hopefully not too complex to use.

EDIT: Okay, I will be 30 years old by the time I figure this out. Nevermind. Thanks anyway.


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PostPosted: Wed, 1. Aug 18, 20:26    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

BlackArchons code should work fine; just double check that you used it on the right tships file that has all of the new XRM entries.

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