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Vitez
 
Joined: 01 Nov 2006
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 Posted: Thu, 28. Apr 11, 10:51 Post subject: Re: what i want in X-rebirth |
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| Earth ultimatum IV. wrote: |
-at least 20 more ships as in TC
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-interaction with planets
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-what about co-op multiplayer with my steam friend or through LAN???
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-best would be if khaaks would be DELETED from X, personally i dislike them. or just change theyr colours, iam not hippie 
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No. TC had just too many ships. The old M1-M6 ships were just fine; when I wanted more ships, I downloaded a mod - but I couldn't remove the out of TC. Same goes for the too many weapons. I really don't understand why would we need 20 more ships: you got a scout, a light- and a heavy fighter, a corvette, mother- and capital ships, which all differ by race. You want a balanced ship? Argon. Fast and powerfull, but weak shield - Split. Slow as hell but can carry and survive anything? Teladi. I loved these differences and they kinda vanished in TC. These kind of "what I want' threads always remind me of Star Trek Enterprises faith - it was a cool series, IMO 3rd best after TNG and TOS, but the "fans" thought they knew better, and started criticising it from the opening theme song trough the ships design etc. (AFAIK). They tried to change a few things, but the fans still didn't like it. Now I'm not trying to say that criticism is bad, what I am saying is what I want - a good and solid game, which can serve as a base for community based mods, which you can download if you want or not if you don't like it; in TC (which was Reunion tweaked and ultramodified), I didn't have the "don't download" option.
But who knows? Maybe Egosoft will make all the things you said and it might turn out satisfying for everyone - given that my options are based on previous X games and this will be a kind of a "reboot".
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This kinda reminded me of the 1st USA president candidate who used the internet to gain popularity (not Obama, Howard Dean) - he had to choose between his old supporters (who he got via the internet) and the possible new ones - but if he choose one, he could lose the other. I believed we know what happened (there isn't a Howard Dean on Mount Rushmore). So, Egosoft is always listening to fans (they did it for more the a decade, I don't know why they would stop now), but "fans" aren't homogeneous.
That said, this is what I want  :
- Make it a SPACE game, where SPACE isn't just a Galactic Highway between planets, but the actual place where action takes part and NOT on planets
- Less ships then in TC - maybe more then in Reunion, but not as much as in TC
- No multiplayer - if it isn't an MMO, then I really don't see the point. Tons and tons of sectors only with you two/three/...ten doing what? Combining
your power to make a station complex?
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empiro
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| Posted: Thu, 28. Apr 11, 11:53 Post subject: Re: what i want in X-rebirth |
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[quote="Vitez"]
| Earth ultimatum IV. wrote: |
That said, this is what I want :
- Make it a SPACE game, where SPACE isn't just a Galactic Highway between planets, but the actual place where action takes part and NOT on planets
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Agreed, but I think planets can still play a role. Both Privateer and Freelancer had planets, but they were basically just another station you could land on. It's more of a believability thing: planets have millions of people on them; it makes sense they would be trading goods too.
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- Less ships then in TC - maybe more then in Reunion, but not as much as in TC
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Agreed. And maybe ditch the M[1-8] designation too, because it leaves no room for new ship types to be added . It was kinda odd that the M6 was between the M3 and M2 in size, the M7 was larger than the M6, but the M8 was small than them both.
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- No multiplayer - if it isn't an MMO, then I really don't see the point. Tons and tons of sectors only with you two/three/...ten doing what? Combining
your power to make a station complex? |
Agreed big time. If I want MP, I'll go play EVE.
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Incubi
Joined: 02 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu, 28. Apr 11, 11:54 Post subject: |
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I am hoping for modular ship damage and customizations.
Strategic capital ship controls while keeping the fighters as shooters. Flying cap ships like they are fighters just never worked for me.
Modules for station upgrades. And again customizations.
Custom tags and ship paint jobs.
The ability to design ships with available parts.
Play as a pilot. I do not expect to be able to walk on-planets, but walking on statios and in my own ships would be very nice. eventualy one day I would like to see planet walking, but not untill it can be done right. For now I will be happy with station and ship walking....... Or swimming in a Boron station????? 
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grim company
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| Posted: Thu, 28. Apr 11, 13:18 Post subject: |
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in the trailer, there seems to be a fast travel system for inside sectors, with speed lines and all.. awfully similar to freelancers cruise speed or trade lanes..
could it be that this will replace seta?
in any case i support the idea of modular ship damage, especially M6 + vessels, as in engines, weapons, shield gens, the classics ;D..
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papakill
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| Posted: Thu, 28. Apr 11, 13:31 Post subject: |
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I think it would be really nice to add crew.
You could train them and give them names.
Having a engineer or other specialist in your spaceship could add some bonuses.
No crew in small fighter of course ! But why not a robot slot ? Like R2D2 on the Luke Skywalker fighter ?
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jkflipflop98
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| Posted: Thu, 28. Apr 11, 13:49 Post subject: Re: what i want in X-rebirth |
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[quote="Vitez"]
| Earth ultimatum IV. wrote: |
- No multiplayer - if it isn't an MMO, then I really don't see the point. Tons and tons of sectors only with you two/three/...ten doing what? Combining
your power to make a station complex? |
That's a pretty silly stance.
What are you going to do with only the *one* of you? Make a station complex? Co-op would be perfect for the X series. I have a ton of friends that will never touch this game because it's slow and boring.
But, if I could invite them into my galaxy and just hand them a tricked out fighter that they didn't have to play 60+ hours to get themselves - then turn them loose on some Xenon, then they would probably have fun. And if they blow up my ship, no biggy. I've got 30 more in this carrier right here.
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grim company
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| Posted: Thu, 28. Apr 11, 14:11 Post subject: |
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| papakill wrote: |
No crew in small fighter of course ! But why not a robot slot ? Like R2D2 on the Luke Skywalker fighter ? |
it seems we will once again have our very own betty what more could we ask from that point on? 
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Vitez
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| Posted: Thu, 28. Apr 11, 14:28 Post subject: Re: what i want in X-rebirth |
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| jkflipflop98 wrote: |
That's a pretty silly stance.
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What are you going to do with only the *one* of you?
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Welcome to the X-Universe, where the "one" of you makes complexes, fights wars, discovers hidden places etc.
So, what am I going to do? The same thing I've done for almost 12 years now: play a good X game.
- Look at a multiplayer game (Left4Dead, SoaSE, or even Black Prophecy - which is "said" to be an MMO) and now look at X.
A LAN based multiplayer game needs to bee relatively small, so that your friends and enemies won't get lost and closed so you won't have infinite space to escape.
- Second, if you play an MMO, the world could change even if you're not online, but in SoaSE or L4D, you either play or you don't.
- Third: "Tons and tons of sectors only with you two/three/...ten doing what? Combining
your power to make a station complex?". Because what else could you do? Sure, you could fight Xenon/Khaak - but then you're missing the other parts of the game and just fighting. Not to mention the whole X-series is based on one thing: CHALLENGE. You have to get enough reputation with the races, prove that you can fly a capital ship and have some tricks - or prove that you can lead an economical empire. Hell, I let my friend have one of my save games, he couldn't shoot down one Xenon M4 - while I eliminate a sector with a Nova. Even in multiplayer you have a challenge: I've played 4 on 1 several times and after a few weeks I've always won now; in SoaSE, your capital ships develop and as they reach new levels they become stronger and get closer to your heart (I always feel proud of my first Kol Battleship when the campaign's over and it's still alive. I wouldn't feel like that if someone simply gave it to me and said "go kill the Vasari". When you play a game then your character (ship) and yourself develop, and you play it because you like it; if you like it then you'll play it no matter how slow it is. My friend bought me a copy of ME2 - he even gave me his old savegame with a fully buffed Shepard. I don't play it. Why? Because I don't like ME.
- As I already said, X is more then simply dogfighting (that's why I love it): you know, TRADE FIGHT BUILD THINK. You can't just take out one aspect of the game and make it a LAN based game. These 4 things could only be made enjoyable within an MMO, and not a LAN game.
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Monthar
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| Posted: Thu, 28. Apr 11, 14:36 Post subject: |
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1. Let us move and minimize UI elements, even if this is just for the pop-up windows. For instance, trying to place stations where I want them to have a nice looking complex is a royal pain, because the map is right in the middle of the screen and I can't move or minimize it so I can get a clear view of the station I'm trying to place.
2. Allow us to name our saved games whatever we want. If we don't type in a custom name, then have it put the default file name like it does now.
3. Don't limit the number of saved game slots. After all, this is a PC game, not a console game.
4. Repair Drones - These would be small drones equipped with a single repair laser each.
5. Ships we are escorting should never have drones or even fighters of their own. This is one of the main reasons these ships won't fly through the next gate. Every time they get ready to fly through a gate and another enemy spawns, they launch all their drones then sit there after the enemy is dealt with waiting on the drones to dock before it tries again. Most of the time, this take long enough for another enemy wave to spawn.
6. All game starts should have at least 1 of the highest shields installed for that ship type or multiple shields of a lower type.
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| Case in point, Unholy Traitor only has a single 5 MJ shield even though it can mount several 25 MJ shields. I get that this is supposed to be a very hard start, but it borders on impossible in most of the starting sectors primarily due to inadequate shields. Considering the fact that this is a stolen prototype, the original owners certainly would have had more shields installed. |
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7. When buying used ships, the previous owner should not be allowed to strip everything from the ship unless it is docked at a station or is ejected into space. Having all the stuff just disappear when the pilot ejects breaks the immersion factor big time, since it's impossible to have the space suit hold all that gear.
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8. Allow us to set both the buying and selling price for the intermediate wares in a complex not just the buying price.
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EternalSpace
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| Posted: Thu, 28. Apr 11, 15:12 Post subject: |
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I don't want to crush anyone's dreams, but if any of this isn't in now, it's not going to be added. If the game is to come out in Q4 2011 and they already showed us in-game with the trailer, then the game is close to finished if not already in a beta/alpha stage.
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Earth ultimatum IV.
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| Posted: Thu, 28. Apr 11, 16:52 Post subject: |
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NO. i meant CO-OP through LAN or on STEAM with FRIEND or FAMILY MEMBER-
it shall be just normal game, but there will be TWO pilots against space. not one.
also, the server host would take starting scenario and they will play from start, they will start in the same sector, as friends with the same equipment and be able to play plots or play separately.
if they will leave the game, they would be able to start it again and continue where finished together. the game wont launch with only one player present.
planets- planets are AWAITED in X but not WANTED.
walking around stations- what the hell? biggest bull i ever heard.
walking around ships- only with capitals and transports.
PS: bull is not bad word. it means stupidness 
+more ships=more fun= more play styles
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Earth ultimatum IV.
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| Posted: Thu, 28. Apr 11, 16:54 Post subject: |
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EHM... wrong.
the game is not finished, just the engine is finished.
at the moment ego is building the space,ships and plots.
so? something may be added still.
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Le Baron
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| Posted: Thu, 28. Apr 11, 16:57 Post subject: |
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| Earth ultimatum IV. wrote: |
EHM... wrong.
the game is not finished, just the engine is finished.
at the moment ego is building the space,ships and plots.
so? something may be added still. |
Doubleposts are not welcome here and where do you get the info about the current status of the game .... I have my doubts about this
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mr.WHO
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| Posted: Thu, 28. Apr 11, 17:58 Post subject: |
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- RTS command/empire interface
- non-destroyable missiles (AI friendly) avoidable by flares/ECM, and destroyable heavy torpedos.
- destroyable capital ships subsystems
- less hardcoded stuff (like 10 km turret range)
- better OOS ballance
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Incubi
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| Posted: Thu, 28. Apr 11, 18:12 Post subject: |
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| Earth ultimatum IV. wrote: |
NO. i meant CO-OP through LAN or on STEAM with FRIEND or FAMILY MEMBER-
it shall be just normal game, but there will be TWO pilots against space. not one.
also, the server host would take starting scenario and they will play from start, they will start in the same sector, as friends with the same equipment and be able to play plots or play separately.
if they will leave the game, they would be able to start it again and continue where finished together. the game wont launch with only one player present.
planets- planets are AWAITED in X but not WANTED.
walking around stations- what the hell? biggest bull i ever heard.
walking around ships- only with capitals and transports.
PS: bull is not bad word. it means stupidness
+more ships=more fun= more play styles |
Why is station walking anymore bull than ship walking in capitals and transports? At least in stations there can be a plethora of gameplay elements added. And as a game that is think, build, trade, and fight. Not all gameplay need be combat.
To be honest I would not mind a spaceflight similator hybrid with first person shooter So long as the latter was optional. To a limited degree this was done with starfox. ( very limited ) But the concept works, and the same skills that perform the space combat translate to first person combat, so the player base would not be snowed. But this seems to be just me and the wait for a game like this will most likely continue beyond X-Rebirth  Unless the new engine allows it to be modded in.
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