[MOD TC/AP] Combat Mod 4 - v4.15 31/05/12 - AP Compatibility

[Chaos565]

i cant seem to get the MARS patch to work its not detecting CMOD at all even tho its obviously installed and running perfectly fine...

[paulwheeler]

Are you running the latest version of mars? Older versions did not pick up the cmod due to weapon number changes, but the latest release should be fine.

[Chaos565]

i gave up on it and removed MARS and just installed your XRM mod lol im using Smart now its easier to maintain. i might get mars for goblins tho

[minime83]

Hi paulwheeler,

do you will update COM in the future?

[Nemesis_87]

i dont think paul will update CMOD 4+ SRM seeing they r both in XRM were his main focus is, i think he said the only reason he would update CMOD4 is if there is a major bug or something

[paulwheeler]

I wasn't planning to. The CMOD4 is pretty much done.

[Sesk]

Isn't the Ion Cannon vastly superior to the other capital weapons? Or at least makes ships that can use these more powerful over those that can't.

Coming up against an NPC Boron Ray, with just 8 (right turret, front turret has HEPTs) of it's 24 Ion Cannons, my M7 Ocelot (I'm using SRM, it has the most Laser Energy of them all, at 95 MJ) runs out of energy after 4-5 salvos. This, added to it's very large amount of shield damage and speed reduction effect, makes it an instant-death once in range.

I have considered the possibility that coming up against a M2 with a M7 would have this happen (me dying), since these are rebalance mods, so I can't expect to pull off killing a M2 with an M7. But just comparing the PPC's stats to the Ion Cannon's stats, show that other than a reduced energy usage and increased RoF, the PPC does the same amount of damage per min, but is slower and has no secondary effects.

I'll try jumping behind it next time around, but do comment on my experience with the Ion Cannon.

[paulwheeler]

The Ion Cannon hardly does any hull damage and has a shorter range than the PPC.

So either stay out of range of the IC or get more ships.

[Neibros]

Just adding my two cents worth.
I love the new effects, the sounds in particular, but capital ships have become basically useless now. Longer battles are fantastic, but the damage nerf seems to have gone way to far. As has been previously mentioned, the kha'ak, who compensated for their weakness with numbers, are now overwhelmingly powerful.

Operation Final Fury, for instance. When M148 is attacked, there are 4 M7s and 2 M2s in just the AI fleet. I brought another 3 destroyers myself.

Meanwhile, the Kha'ak had a single M1 and M2 per wave, with plenty of time between waves for shields to regen.

Every single AI cap ship died.

And that was with my M7s and M7Ms helping.

A single Kha'ak destroyer can easily wipe out a titan and 2 cerbs. That's just broken.

Most combat aside from kha'ak is good, but there's still a problem with M6s. They basically rule the skies now. A few M6s can easily dismantle a fleet of cap ships, because heavy guns can't hit them and they can just tank everything else outright. I end smashing my M7 into them more often then shooting them, because I know my shields do more damage than my guns. The same goes for fighters. It simply doesn't make sense that fighter sized lasers are comparatively more powerful than capital ones.

To explain, the HEPT does more damage in comparison to an M3s shields than a PPC does compared to an M2s, or even an M7s shields. This means that the smaller the ship, the more effective it is now. THere's really no reason to use cap ships anymore, when an M6 or two will do just as well. The most ridiculous bit though, was when I scored a hit with a full array of IBLs on a Nova...

...And didn't even take down its shields.

Missiles, though, have gotten a ludicrous buff, again especially in relation to the Kha'ak. The thorn, for some ungodly reason, is now a swarm missile, with 95k damage PER WARHEAD. A few thorns annihilated the 4 GJ of shielding on my Q. What's worse, Corvettes launch these, and seeing as you can get 4-5 corvettes in one kha'ak invasion, each launching 4-5 Thorns, each with 8 warheads, they are basically unbeatable in terms of DPS.

I really love the audio and visual effects in this mod, but combat is far from balanced. The most telling thing is that capital weapons now do less DPS than the vanilla FIGHTER weapons. IIRC, a HEPT in vanilla did 10k shield damage. IBLs do 9k now, and their the most common capital weapon in game. I am very well aware the mod is supposed to make battles last longer, but it doesn't really do this. It's just unbalanced the game in a different way. Capitals are worthless now, missiles are OP and unstoppable, Kha'ak are unkillable (their M2s take maybe 1% shield damage per IBL volley, while spewing out massive damage with their gammas)

I apologize if I sound like I'm ripping on the mod, there are moments where it really shines, but that was only ever when there were no capitals involved. Dogfights are great, and M6s are fun to fly, and the audio (especially with surround sound and bass boosting headset) is f*cking awesome, as are the visuals (I get shudders every time I broadside a ship with my PPCs. Bwoom bwoom bwoom!)

But the nerfed damage just isn't scaled right to the numbers and types of ships you find in game, and capital combat is simply completely broken by this mod. Sorry :C

[paulwheeler]

Ive noticed a few people are saying the cmod4 is Albion Prelude compatible.

---It is absolutely NOT AP compatible---



If there is still demand for this mod, then i will look into porting it. So please post here if you want to use the cmod4 in AP.

[Makita]

it's not....oups using it atm in AP would love a port. Thanks

[Eriodas]

I used it as an alternative to get the balanced weapons and beams with more framerates but yeah... it's not compatible (tried it myself).

If you have the time and more ppl is willing i am also interested.

[nankura]

since i was directed here, ill say it here. i would love and im sure others to see an AP Version of CMOD4. it would be great if you could port this fantastic mod into AP, id love to see some of the missile effects and laser effects comming out of the Megalodon

[Zippe]

A mostly vanilla type of thing with the new visuals and sounds would be awesome. I tried XRM for that and loved those but since there was not even 1 sector I came through which were not sporting a full scale Xenon and/or pirate Invasion I had to deinstall XRM again.

[MonkeyBananas]

It's partially AP compatible. It screws up a lot of visual effects though and fails to change many. However it's changed things like the photon pulse cannon, for example.

I would very much like a port to AP...I want a cmod for AP