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PostPosted: Tue, 3. Apr 12, 03:36    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I need a couple days to polish my plugin so I can release the thing. Once that's done, I'll start on the syntax proper. Already got a rough outline, not fit for view just yet. But the basic root is currently this:

Script

  • Comments
  • Math Operands
  • Binary Operands
  • Colors
  • Message Syntax
  • Pitfalls <- things that break your editor etc.


T Files

  • Comments
  • Colors
  • Characters
  • Codes



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PostPosted: Tue, 3. Apr 12, 03:56    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

@Orfevs

Suggestions :

Can you also add to both those topics, forum conventions, including documentation we keep and conventions we use. ie. we store page 17 numbers used, start numbers used, command slots used, and each modder/scripter has their own documented t file number. etc.

I'd also like to see it mentioned that we never modify t file 0001, we always use our own t file that overwrites or adds into 0001. To get it, go look at the list and select a number that hasnt been used, then get it reserved.

In pitfalls, endless loops would seem worth mentioning and the classic ways of generating them and recognising them.

As would mention of really bad coding techniques and how they are replaced by the good coders here. Not sure thats in your scope or not, but I've seen some classics over time, and the better coding technique was always worth knowing about.


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PostPosted: Tue, 3. Apr 12, 22:37    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

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Not sure how useful my 3+ year old knowledge will be, or how often I'll be around, but sign me up and I'll try to help.


Help is always appreciated, so welcome to the team. Smile


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PostPosted: Wed, 4. Apr 12, 02:40    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

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Can you also add to both those topics, forum conventions, including documentation we keep and conventions we use. ie. we store page 17 numbers used, start numbers used, command slots used, and each modder/scripter has their own documented t file number. etc.


If only they could change the blue color..
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"Syntax" won't exactly cover the expanded topic. Short and to the point is the best way. Broad categories gets confusing fast. But coding etiquette can be added to syntax.
So perhaps a separate index topic with 0001 pages would be better.
And btw - Isn't the list of command ID's being updated any more?
I know page 17 isn't among those, but there might be a lot more pages in 0001 to keep an eye on. (edit)So much for what I know. Page 17 is there. Just didn't see it Headbang

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I'd also like to see it mentioned that we never modify t file 0001, we always use our own t file that overwrites or adds into 0001. To get it, go look at the list and select a number that hasnt been used, then get it reserved.


You can do that yourself once we get the index straight. Very Happy Good preface to the ID index. Although, that's not my call. I volunteered for the syntax part.

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In pitfalls, endless loops would seem worth mentioning and the classic ways of generating them and recognising them.
As would mention of really bad coding techniques and how they are replaced by the good coders here. Not sure thats in your scope or not, but I've seen some classics over time, and the better coding technique was always worth knowing about.


I know of some pitfalls, but I'm not an expert at crashing the compiler, so I expect others to be pitting in as it were..

Though I'm hoping I don't have to write a "scripting for dummies" entry. I expect the modders here to be at least somewhat familiar with previous modding/programming experience. Even if it is two lines of Basic.


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PostPosted: Fri, 18. May 12, 11:28    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Hi. I wish to register. I'd like to help with translations into Italian... Rolling Eyes


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Added you to the group, welcome to the team. Smile Have a look at the Posting rules, procedures and general info-post for a general overview for translating articles. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask.


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PostPosted: Fri, 18. May 12, 16:56    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Is there a searchable MCSI index somewhere?


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It's MSCI (Razz) and what do you mean with searchable?


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PostPosted: Fri, 18. May 12, 17:05    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Cool. I guess I have been misspelling it for a long time. Thanks!

I mean like search for "task" to find the task-related commands.

The list here is nice if you know where to look, and if you know the command itself. However, if you do *not* know, then it is hard to find things.

The best that I have come up with is xai-corp.net (which Gazz links in his sig). Not sure that it is current. But, at least, it is searchable.

I was just wondering if there is an alternative, or is that it?


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PostPosted: Fri, 18. May 12, 17:40    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

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Added you to the group, welcome to the team. Smile

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PostPosted: Fri, 18. May 12, 18:31    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

DrBullwinkle wrote:
I mean like search for "task" to find the task-related commands.


No, I don't think there's anything like this. There are a few other MSCI references out there. But they are similar to the one here in the forum. So, they have lists of commands according to the commands section in the SE and then an article for each command. Given that Xai-Corp.net went online, when X3R was the current game and that its creator, moggy2, is inactive for a few years already, I guess most of the TC and AP commands are missing there. Not sure, if anyone is currently working on the MSCI reference.

What I often do, when I don't know if there is an appropriate command for the action I want to do, is takeing one key word and searching for that word with the browser search in the index threads.


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PostPosted: Fri, 18. May 12, 18:37    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

X2-Illuminatus wrote:
takeing one key word and searching for that word with the browser search in the index threads.


Yeah, I have done that, too. But there are 9 of those, and 8 pages of individual listings to search.

Would all 9 of the index pages fit onto a single forum page? That would be a HUGE improvement to the Reference. I would try it myself, but it is a private forum.


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PostPosted: Sat, 19. May 12, 01:11    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Personally, I'd like to see the link pages combined into a single post. That way at least you can search for a term with some hope of finding it.

I never quite understood why this wasnt done, since half the problem with the SE is finding the commands.


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PostPosted: Sat, 19. May 12, 06:44    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I have a question on this MSCI Reference guide you guys are working on.

Is it just to be an archived reference guide or am i to take it that scipting is going to be in Rebirth and this is why it's being created?

Afaik Rebirth will be MD heavy so why no MD reference forums that folks like myself who can't script can reference?

I see no logic here unless it's for archive purposes only tbh or that MSCI will indeed be in rebirth.

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PostPosted: Sat, 19. May 12, 07:00    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I did a proof-of-concept page. After adding colors and urls, the text exceeds the limits of a single forum page. However, it is certainly possible to do as a single forum topic, which would fit the reference forum perfectly.

It is a five-minute copy-and-paste job for someone with forum privilege. (Maybe ten minutes if you add section headings.) It would require minor ongoing maintenance, of course, as other entries are added.

So, would somebody with forum privilege please make a searchable index topic?

Alternatively, if you give me forum privilege, I volunteer to do it.

@Argo: There is a third, middle, position: That the reference is valuable to people currently writing MSCI scripts for AP and TC. I agree that MD should be included in the forum.


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