[TC] Furious Titan

Gavrushka · Post by **Gavrushka** » Mon, 9. Aug 10, 20:18

Having just taken a 'Kill a Pirate' Assassination mission from Plutarch rated as easy I had to kill two Carracks and entourage - Mission successful - BUT an Argon Titan has turned red on me - I assumed there must have been friendly fire - but definitely not - I replayed it from the save three times, never lost police licence or any rep. - Apologising to the Titan flashes him back to blue for a second then back red - I've checked all sectors and there is no rogue ship of mine attacking Argons - I broadcast Argon friendly to all reachable properties. Yet he stays red and attacks any assets of mine he can.

Am I to assume this is normal behaviour? Having an Angry Titan amongst my complexes is not healthy...

silentmaster101 · Post by **silentmaster101** » Mon, 9. Aug 10, 20:21

maybe it is a pirate titan?

just kidding. some sort of bug i guess.

running any scripts or mods?

Gavrushka · Post by **Gavrushka** » Mon, 9. Aug 10, 20:25

I hope not! No 2.71 Vanilla - In Argon Prime - None of Titan Entourage turn red incidentally.

silentmaster101 · Post by **silentmaster101** » Mon, 9. Aug 10, 20:39

swat it with a spp!

less rep loss.

Gavrushka · Post by **Gavrushka** » Mon, 9. Aug 10, 20:44

- It may come to that or a handful of Hammerheads and jump out, or cap it - But I am curious to know whether it is normal behaviour.

silentmaster101 · Post by **silentmaster101** » Mon, 9. Aug 10, 20:57

i do not think so.

only thing i ever had go red for no reason was Duke's corp.

which i fixed by destroying the hq and all ts's floating around, then they worked fine when respawned.

Laden Swallow · Post by **Laden Swallow** » Mon, 9. Aug 10, 21:09

Have you tried emphatically apologising, once may not be enough, spam the apologies...

Also check if it is following anything, it might be that you need to apologise to more than just the titan.

Rive · Post by **Rive** » Mon, 9. Aug 10, 21:11

What's the homebase of the Titan?

Can you identify the ship before it arrives to the sector where it turns to red? What is its command?

Do you have any freshly captured property?

Was there any mission in the sector not so long ago?

I had some similar experiences: http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=3316952

Gavrushka · Post by **Gavrushka** » Mon, 9. Aug 10, 21:33

Laden Swallow wrote:Have you tried emphatically apologising, once may not be enough, spam the apologies...

Also check if it is following anything, it might be that you need to apologise to more than just the titan.

I tried apologising dozens of times, - It turns blue on the first one, then straight back to red - The fact none of the ships in its crew turn red suggest it isn't the leader. - I did apologise to a blue Argon One just in case - I'll check if it was following something.

Rive wrote:What's the homebase of the Titan?

Can you identify the ship before it arrives to the sector where it turns to red? What is its command?

Do you have any freshly captured property?

Was there any mission in the sector not so long ago?

I'll run the mission again, and check its homebase - It is definitely blue before I start firing on pirates.

I have one freshly captured M8 close to the titan just about to dock for a fit-out (from a Previous Plutarch assassination mission in same sector (Argon Prime) some 20 minutes earlier.)

Just spotted link, checking now.

*EDIT* - Sounds like it may be the Peregrin M8?

Twest09 · Post by **Twest09** » Mon, 9. Aug 10, 21:44

At one point when I first began playing X3TC I had Space Booze complexes and for no reason at all the Argon military turned red and started attacking me and all of my assets, I went back a few saves and waited in sector for about 15 minutes of SETA and could not for the life of me figure out what was going on... to this day I have no idea since I have restarted by Booze and Weed trade and never could recreate the event.... anyway I guess I have nothing to offer other than it once happened to me for no reason as well.

ak2507 · Post by **ak2507** » Mon, 9. Aug 10, 21:50

It has happened to me as well on different occasions.
Go OOS fo a while and it will disappear. If tou haveany assets in the area send them away. If you have a satellite it will be probably blown to pieces abd then it will turn blue!

Rive · Post by **Rive** » Mon, 9. Aug 10, 21:51

Gavrushka wrote:I have one freshly captured M8 close to the titan just about to dock for a fit-out (from a Previous Plutarch assassination mission in same sector (Argon Prime) some 20 minutes earlier.)

...

*EDIT* - Sounds like it may be the Peregrin M8?

!!!

Please check what happens if you destroy the M8 - will the Titan accept apologizing?

What if you destroy the M8 before the Titan arrives to the sector?

My bet is that some 'helper' ships spawns on the nearest Military Base for some 'Very Hard' missions, and when they arrives to the scene of the action, they will go red against the mission ships - even if they are player property... But I couldn't prove it due the lack of savegames.

Gavrushka · Post by **Gavrushka** » Mon, 9. Aug 10, 22:10

The Titan is homebased at Military Outpost Elenas fortune - It will not accept apology when I sold the M8 after the battle - The Titan is in The Wall when battle starts - I will jump in destroy Peregrin then battle and see if that does it - Give me a few minutes, I'm in an M6 and their are two Carracks with escorts...

Mission rating was average btw.

Gavrushka · Post by **Gavrushka** » Mon, 9. Aug 10, 22:23

You were right - It was the Peregrine shot it, and Titan never turned red in first place. - One interesting point was that when you selected it, rather than saying Peregrine Betty said 'Mercenary Peregrine' - If you want to look at the save I can upload (it's 2.7.1 Vanilla) and post a link - The ship is JUST about to Jump, in the save, to Argon Prime - Peregrine is in that sector.

Thank you very much for your help!

Link to save.

Xander Cade · Post by **Xander Cade** » Tue, 10. Aug 10, 00:42

Yes, the ships spawned for Corporate missions are "Mercenary" types. They're no different to the normal types with the exception that Betty will always identify them as Mercenary, even when you change their name. You should hold onto them. I have a small defence wing flying around Antigone Memorial made up of primarily Mercenary ships that don't get my normal naming conventions - they're just Mercenary Nova 1, Mercenary Nova 2, etc. Some nice added atmosphere to the game.

I have had a similar situation with a Split Heavy Dragon. He jumped in red and the first time I apologised he went blue and then back to red and then wouldn't accept an apology again. I tried all kinds of things and nothing worked so I ignored him. I haven't seen him since leaving. This happened on about day 2 of a Poisoned Paranid game so I had no stations and only a handful of ships with low trade/fight rank and good rep with the Split.

you_rebel_scum · Post by **you_rebel_scum** » Tue, 10. Aug 10, 02:43

its probably like this....

u have turrets set to "attack my target" and u have the titan targeted

This has happened to me, i shot a boron thresher apologized and hit it again because of the above turret setting. U can apologize once but if u hit them again they go red and stay red....

Rive · Post by **Rive** » Tue, 10. Aug 10, 07:25

Gavrushka wrote:Link to save.

Thank you very much... It'll be one or two days to check, and if it fits then it'll end as a bugreport

Ps.: the 'Mercenary' part is not important - mine was regular mission ship.

Ps2.: do you have a save which is right before accepting the mission which ended in that peregrine?

Gavrushka · Post by **Gavrushka** » Tue, 10. Aug 10, 08:55

Rive - I SHOULD have one close, I wll go check.

you_rebel_scum, you missed the mark a bit with that one have a read through the thread,

Xander Code- I had intended to keep the ship, circumstances dictated otherwise!

*edit* No save - The Peregrine mission was my first for Plutarch - There is no save where I am unranked with them with the mission on offer- Sorry.

EmperorJon · Post by **EmperorJon** » Tue, 10. Aug 10, 15:06

Had this ages ago with a Cerberus... I just dropped a wheat farm on him.

Gavrushka · Post by **Gavrushka** » Wed, 11. Aug 10, 13:48

EmperorJon wrote:Had this ages ago with a Cerberus... I just dropped a wheat farm on him.

You Oat to know a Cerberus will survive a wheat farm attack if only Barley, - I'd advise a Computer Plant, then you know he'd had his Chips.