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MarvinTheMartian
  
Joined: 05 May 2004
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Location: Auckland, NZ
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 Posted: Sat, 7. Jul 12, 09:20 Post subject: |
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| Conbadicus wrote: |
| so "manual price" is the one I choose for setting a min sell price |
All of them are min price in the sense that the pilot will not sell below that price, min is the min price for that ware, e.g. 12cr for e-cells, 16 being avg, 20 being max. manual price just allows you to set a price other than min, avg or max. whichever you use the pilot will not budge (CLS on Standby) if they won't pay at least that price
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Conbadicus
Joined: 13 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sat, 7. Jul 12, 14:59 Post subject: |
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so my pilot wont go to a factory that is buying for 18 and sell for 16 if I set it to 16. Or avoid any factory that is buying for anything but 16
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MarvinTheMartian
Joined: 05 May 2004
Posts: 875 on topic
Location: Auckland, NZ
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| Posted: Sun, 8. Jul 12, 00:41 Post subject: |
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| Conbadicus wrote: |
| so my pilot wont go to a factory that is buying for 18 and sell for 16 if I set it to 16. Or avoid any factory that is buying for anything but 16 |
The price works the same as setting a product price in a factory, so if you set the price at 16cr and the station in your waypoint list is buying for 18 then the CLS2 pilot will sell the amount you specified to the station. The same analogy is true for buying - the price you set, just like a factory's resource buying price, is used as the most the pilot will pay for that item.
It sounds like your purpose might be better served using CAG instead of CLS, you can set station/sector white-lists if you want to trade only with a handful of NPC stations. The only time CLS2 is essential is when you are trading from a ship of yours (like a TL on mobile mining) rather than a station.
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Conbadicus
Joined: 13 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun, 8. Jul 12, 14:12 Post subject: |
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| so if you set the price at 16cr and the station in your waypoint list is buying for 18 then the CLS2 pilot will sell the amount you specified to the station. |
That is my point, I wan't to be able to set a "sell for at least x amount of credits"
Im under the impression that CAG is a pilot who ensures that the station gets resources it needs and then sells resources it produces (after leveling up)
and a CL pilot simply makes programmed trade runs and/or supply runs.
That being said, it makes sense for me to have a CL pilot pick up my wares and personally search for places to sell them in addition to other random people coming to purchase from my station,
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Conbadicus
Joined: 13 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun, 8. Jul 12, 14:30 Post subject: |
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That also brings to mind, what is the difference between and external CL and internal CL
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MarvinTheMartian
Joined: 05 May 2004
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Location: Auckland, NZ
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| Posted: Mon, 9. Jul 12, 11:49 Post subject: |
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| Conbadicus wrote: |
| That is my point, I wan't to be able to set a "sell for at least x amount of credits" |
I'm obviously not doing a good job of explaining it 
That's exactly what it does, sell X amount for at least Y credits
X is the amount of wares you instruct it to sell at the station (in the waypoint) and Y is the price you set - whether you set min, avg, max or manual all you are doing is setting the value of Y and not how the pilot uses it, the pilot will sell for at least Y credits at the price the station is offering which may be more than Y.
Differences between CAG, CLS1 & CLS2 (in the context of trading as CLS2 does much much more):
CLS2 (external logistics) will trade only with stations you list in its waypoint list when the supply conditions are met, it will not automatically find stations to trade with
CLS1 (internal logistics) will supply only your stations and will deliver 1 or more products from its homebase list (with the option of multiple suppliers of the same product) to 1 or more of your stations based on demand for the product, again you must specify the stations
CAG will either buy resources (Shopper), sell products (Salesman) or both (Trader), based on buy/sell pricing from/to any station automatically unless you specify further conditions such as sector & station blacklists/whitelists or product blacklists/tradelists
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Conbadicus
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| Posted: Mon, 9. Jul 12, 15:12 Post subject: |
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Ok I see, just a little mis communication.
So, I understand now.
thanks
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Joined: 06 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Sun, 15. Jul 12, 23:48 Post subject: |
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I'm having some trouble with my CLS ships. I have an HQ next to a complex. I add the waypoints for my rangers to go pick up 80 microchips from the complex and unload 80 microchips at the HQ. I come back later and they are telling me CLS on standby at the HQ full of microchips that they will not unload. I've rewritten the waypoints several times and I have changed the amount they should load and unload but they always do the same thing. Am I doing something wrong?
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MarvinTheMartian
Joined: 05 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon, 16. Jul 12, 09:38 Post subject: |
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a CLS2 pilot will run the command in a loop while the supply conditions are met, in this case 1. can I load 80 micro chips, 2. can I unload 80 microchips, 3. GOTO 1
You should use load up to 80 microchips and unload up to 80 microchips (or more as 80 microchips doesn't build anything much bigger than M3/M8 )
Anyway, are microchips actually a ware already listed in the HQ? not sure if they'll unload anything that's not already listed as a stock item, also, reset any other supply conditions, 99% of the time the issue is there.
You could also use dockware manager to limit the microchips in stock (only obeyed by CAG and CLS1 pilots) and assign the task to a CLS1 pilot who will do the same thing except can handle more than one product and more than one supplier (so long as its homebase has all the products)
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Daisai
Joined: 08 Feb 2012
Posts: 89 on topic
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| Posted: Tue, 31. Jul 12, 19:20 Post subject: |
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Hey,
I am by no means an expert in this, and I realize this is probably too little too late, but I'll try to help none the less...
@Xander Cade: First off, CLS MK1 is way better for this sort of thing. Secondly, it seems from your log that you're using the "manual input up to" command, I'm not sure about that but I think that's what the -1 in front of each transfer code is for. This makes it so that your CLSs' will only move ecells as long as the station in question has less than the "manual input up to" quantity. In this case that would be 9500 for Gator and 13500 for Vanity Fair, taking into consideration the minimum transfer of 5% bit, this means that since the complex has 13k ecells neither of the two ships will move.
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Waypoint: T-Av Pleasure Palace (Avarice)
Ware: Energy Cells
Ware price: 0 credits
Transfer code: -109500
Price and cargo bay at station: 17 credits, cargo bay 16,874 units (2 %)
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Waypoint: T-Av Pleasure Palace (Avarice)
Ware: Energy Cells
Ware price: 0 credits
Transfer code: -113500
Price and cargo bay at station: 17 credits, cargo bay 29,896 units (5 %)
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You're later post however seems to contradict this theory, if you can post the log for that too, we might figure it out.
@oddgit: The CLS pilots will not use jump beacons unless they either a) have training as a navigator or b) there is a navigator on board with them. In order to get/train a navigator you need the Military Transport script and possibly the Personnel Transporter script, you should note though that navigators can only be trained from marines with the right skill set (this part is somewhat annoying when you've already got stations to take care of, you could always cheat the marines in though, or modify the script yourself if you really wanna go crazy). If you really want to take advantage of all the capabilities of Lucike's scripts you should get his Lucike's Script Collection. It takes some figuring out, but I find it extremely useful.
@firemmann: Same thing as Xander, you should really use CLS MK1. Your log shows some odd waypoints where your ships do nothing before each waypoint, what are these? what commands are you issuing them exactly? This might be due to my ignorance and inability to read CLS logs, I'm not sure, but I've never seen that before, it looks like they're buying 0 ecells at 1 credit each... but that doesn't make sense:
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Waypoint: Production (Herron's Nebula)
Ware: Energy Cells
Ware price: 1 credits
Transfer code: 0
Price and cargo bay at station: 16 credits, cargo bay 1,414,598 units (99 %)
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Waypoint: Energy Storage (Herron's Nebula)
Ware: Energy Cells
Ware price: 1 credits
Transfer code: 0
Price and cargo bay at station: 16 credits, cargo bay 60,492 units (0 %)
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also it looks like you have the same problem as Xander:
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Waypoint: Energy Storage (Herron's Nebula)
Ware: Energy Cells
Ware price: 0 credits
Transfer code: -107600
Price and cargo bay at station: 16 credits, cargo bay 60,492 units (0 %) |
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This basicly solved the problem i was having, just another example of how unclear a interface can be.
Anyway now my logistics have popped enrage since now they are moving all the time.
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Barbarossa66
Joined: 04 Jan 2012
Posts: 38 on topic
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| Posted: Fri, 3. Aug 12, 15:31 Post subject: |
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I need to start off by saying that I love the CLS scripts. They are definitely among the most useful that I have come across.
I am having an issue with a pair of mine though, both with identical routes. I have several others that work fine for their tasks, but these two will not repeat their routes. Instead they sit in my complex with a 'Dest. Barbaco Hvy Transport 092 (Perpetual Sin)' blinking on and off once they complete a cycle. I have tried altering the route and conditions over and over with no luck. My current workaround has been to homebase them to the Ryu so that restarting their script is easy, but I'd rather they did that automatically.
Basically these two TSs are moving silicon into my complex because all of the high silicon yield 'roids in Ore Mine are already in my complex and it wasn't enough to feed the Complex. I set up a group of 10 mobile miners with a CLS2 TS transferring to the Ryu without issue. I just can't get anything to transfer away from the Ryu without resetting it after every trip. The pertinent log is as follows:
Home base: BarbaCo Hvy Transport 092 (Perpetual Sin)
Home base class: TL
Home base type: Ryu
Station account: 121,481,294 credits
Global account: 121,481,294 credits
Ship in the same sector: No
Wait for request signal: No
Minimum transfer on collection: 5 %
Minimum transfer on delivery: 5 %
Waypoint: BarbaCo Hvy Transport 092 (Perpetual Sin)
Ware: Silicon Wafers
Ware price: 0 credits
Transfer code: 722
Price and cargo bay at station: 0 credits, cargo bay 1,742 units (87 %)
Waypoint: Microchip Complex alpha (Ore Belt)
Ware: Silicon Wafers
Ware price: 0 credits
Transfer code: -722
Price and cargo bay at station: 232 credits, cargo bay 5,401 units (44 %)
Waypoint: Microchip Complex alpha (Ore Belt)
Refuel jump energy
Thank you to anyone who can help resolve this issue.
Edit: Resolved. The answer was in this thread and I missed it. Apparently both the TL and the CLSs need transporters. I only had it on the TL.
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peppy tails
Joined: 07 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Sun, 11. Nov 12, 01:32 Post subject: |
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if i set "minimum transfer amount on collection" -and delivery- to 0% will this cause them to simply buy whatever is available? also this percentage to buy is it referring to the total amount of "up to" i told it to buy? example-i want to buy 500 microchips, so i tell it to buy up to 500. if it is set to 1% would this equal 5 microchips needing to be at a store for the cls to go buy it? if so will the 0% theory solve this
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