[3.2/2.5 MOD] X3TC Naval Shuffle 1.3.3.3/1.1: Now reasonably AP compatable

[Sorenson]

[Shadow_Wolf33]

There isn't really anything screenshot-worthy of the app, as it's basically a launch it, press a button and it'll take the TShips.txt file and make a dump file of the output. One problem I have been having so far, is that I can't quite figure out the formula that the X2 Editor 2 uses to convert the raw float value that is actually stored in the TShips file into the RPM Value that is actually displayed (and usable for the end result handling calculation).

The little App I've been working on though is able to pull the following information accurately though.

Yaw - float format, not really sure how to use it
Pitch - float format, not really sure how to use it
Roll - float format, not really sure how to use it
Ship Class
NameID - Have to use a lookup table to get the Ship names from the nameID, my name list might not be completely accurate as I think a few ships might be missing...have all the important ones though.
Speed (Base)
Speed (Max) - calculated off base speed and the speed extensions
Acceleration (Base)
Acceleration (Max) - calculated off the base acceleration and the speed extensions
Shield Power
Weapon Power
Shield Type
Shield Count
Max shield power - how much shielding the ship gets as end result, good for sorting
Speed Extensions
Steering Extensions
Cargo (Base)
Cargo (Max)
Hangar slots
Max Cargo Size
Race
Hull
Variation type - Used for addressing the ship as a raider/hauler/tanker etc.

I didn't touch the gun information, as I was able to just look that information up on http://eng.x3tc.ru/ (plus I was having an infuriating time trying to figure out an easily readable/sortable way to display it).

If I can figure out the formula for converting the yaw/pitch/roll values into the usable RPM values, and figure out a good location to pull the NameID# -> Ship name list, then my little app could become a heck of a lot more useful...especially with a mod like yours.

[Sorenson]

Well, one thing that might be messing with you is that I'm using Editor 1 (editor 2 gives me a whole bunch of missing TFile warnings whenever I try to open ships and the like, so there's no way I'm working with it) so if you've got a version of that program compatable with editor 1 you could try using that instead.

[Shadow_Wolf33]

My little app isn't a plugin or anything for the Editor program, it's completely standalone and I feed into it a decompressed TShips file from the X2 Editor 2. I may just have to grab Editor 1 to see if it can provide me with anything different information-wise on an exported uncompressed TShips file.

Oh I've been waiting for rapidshare to grace me with access to the nice 42kb download for 2 and a half hours now. Check your PMs!

[Sorenson]

Two and a half hours? Criminy, I didn't think it was this bad. When did RS start sucking so much? I'll have to see if I can find another host somewhere.

[Shadow_Wolf33]

Like I mentioned in my PM, I can host it for you and give you an account to keep the files up to date yourself, just let me know....

oh, and 3 hours now and still no file, I officially formally despise rapidshare now.

[Sorenson]

That's extremily generous of you, but I don't want to inconvenience of you, and I just threw Beta 2 up on Filefront (now I just have to wait for it to appear...). I'll keep it in mind, though, in the event that the stuff starts to get ridiculous.

[Shadow_Wolf33]

It's no inconvenience at all. Takes a grand total of a minute to set up the account and verify that it works, and it's not like your mod files are gigabytes in size anyway. I'd be happy to help out any way I can.

Edit: On a side note, I figured out the formula to convert the decimal value to the visible RPMs used in the editors (it was disgustingly simple too). Once I have the names issue resolved I might actually have a utility worth releasing!

The formula I have seems to be 'close enough' accurate, in that it doesn't seem to round up the decimal places to the same degree, which can probably be done in Excel anyway. Oh well, at least it's giving correct output now.

[Sorenson]

All right, I'm switching over to Megaupload for now, hopefully that'll work better: I've linked up to the mirror in the OP. You still waiting for that download?

[Shadow_Wolf33]

I managed to get it off Megaupload after being visually assaulted by ads and having to wait a minute, although a minute is a far shot better than 3 hours (with no results).

Oh, by the way, I put the beta2 file up on my personal webspace so you can use it as a mirror anyway. That way there's zero waiting time or advertising molestation for a 42kb file. Feel free to link it, cause I'm gonna volunteer my efforts one way or the other dammit, either through statistical analysis of things or helping with hosting the files.

http://www.cwmftw.com/x3tc/sorenson/X3TC_Naval_Shuffle_Beta_2.rar

I henceforth dub my actions....HELPRAPE!


Edit: On a side note, I got my little applet capable of properly interpreting ALL of the names exported by the TShips file (except 6 that are named as *** UNDEFINED *** Hauler, but they're like that in the X3 Editor as well...soooooo), so it suddenly became very easy to parse all of the modded ship information like speed/handling/shields/etc. I haven't gotten it to do weapons yet, but it grabs the rest of the pertinent information. Would that be of any use to you?

Edit 2: One inconsistency I noticed is in the speed of the Solano vs. the Venti. The Solano is supposedly an 'interceptor' class M4, but is far slower than the Venti. I do realize the Venti is supposed to be a rediculously strong M3, but shouldn't the OTAS Interceptor at least be able to keep pace with it?

Oh, and with the speed increase for the PPC/IBLs up to speeds that are higher than HEPTs. Doesn't that essentially give them the speed required to swat fighters out of the sky? If energy isn't an issue, then what's the point of mounting anything but PPCs all around if they're a one stop kill shop for all classes? I think the heavy cap weapons should be fast enough to hit other caps reasonably well, but too slow to be able to swat faster ships (M6 and smaller) like nothing. Otherwise it completely defeats the purpose of having multiple weapon types on a ship.

[TSM]

As requested your file is hosted by Filefront aswell , if you need to update your beta overthere pm me on here when you have uploaded and I will sort it for you

[Sorenson]

[Matterom]

i think the main problem is that you can shoot anywhere you can see
plus some of those turrets go to fast

[Shadow_Wolf33]

I have a suggestion for the laser type weapon classifications. Why not set up their speed characteristics according to what sort of target they should be fired against? or near instant in the case of beam stuff, but still...have PRG be the same speed as it is now as sort of a 'chaingun' style weapon for anti-fighter...have HEPT be geared for hitting M3/M6s, CIG/ISR type class geared for fighting M6/M7, and the big cap ship guns geared towards Capital class ships.

I tweaked your beta release a bit, and I put the speed of PPCs at 475m/s (with the other 3 +/- a bit of speed for a bit of variation), and it seemed a decent speed...could be bumped to 500 maybe 600 without being TOO overpowering. I was able to hit small stuff at 475 but only when they're being idiots and flying straight at me.

I bumped up HEPTs to 650 and it seemed to give them a lot more hitting power against the fighter class ships, without being an insta-sniper cannon.

Might be something to think about...oh I also re-tuned the 4 main cap ship guns I was playing with to NEAR stock...I just bumped up the speed and left the charge up time at what you modded it to.

Oh, and for my mirror, you don't have to wait for me to upload anything, I can set you up with an account so you can upload there whenever you have a release.

[Sorenson]