Why no multiplayer?

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Why no multiplayer?

Post by Electric-Shadow » Fri, 10. Oct 08, 13:00

For the love of god why is there no multiplayer in this freaking awesome game, do you guys realise how much an online multiplayer mode would kick ass in terran conflict?

You guys should consider realising a version for playing online something like "X3 Open Universe", playing against the AI is something, bulding stations and trading, etc but imagine playing against real players, it would add a whole new element to the game. Perhaps disabeling scripts & mods for this game may be an idea to stop people cheating, as that may obviously be a problem.

I just think it'd be a cool idea, dont know about you guys. Also terran conflict looks beautiful.

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Post by Gavrushka » Fri, 10. Oct 08, 13:04

So many times before this has been mentioned...

...It would be great but the following responses will tell you why not..

Here's some of them..

SETA

Management of empires when player not on line

Pure computing power

But yes truly an awesome game

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Post by Electric-Shadow » Fri, 10. Oct 08, 13:09

Perhaps some sort of offline protection mode from opportunist attackers, where their empire can only trade with others but not attack or be attacked. Also the ability to set instructions for when they're offline.

and yeah your right it'd need a lot of servers and power as you said, but i'm sure egosoft could sort something out if they really wanted to.

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Post by breytac » Fri, 10. Oct 08, 13:35

If you want multiplayer, go and try Eve Online. Just be prepared to put up with being killed, ridiculed and get nowhere fast. Been there, done that. I've got better things to spend my money on (like the upcoming Terran Conflict)

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Post by pjknibbs » Fri, 10. Oct 08, 13:55

Electric-Shadow wrote: and yeah your right it'd need a lot of servers and power as you said, but i'm sure egosoft could sort something out if they really wanted to.
Yes, I'm sure the only factor involved here is Egosoft's desire to do something. The costs of developing this extra functionality has no bearing on the decision, nosiree! :roll:

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Post by Electric-Shadow » Fri, 10. Oct 08, 14:18

breytac wrote:If you want multiplayer, go and try Eve Online. Just be prepared to put up with being killed, ridiculed and get nowhere fast. Been there, done that. I've got better things to spend my money on (like the upcoming Terran Conflict)
I've allready preordered mine from game, I can't wait. X3 is awesome dont get me wrong, the multiplayer is just a kickass suggestion imo :p, people would surely buy it too.
pjknibbs wrote:
Electric-Shadow wrote: and yeah your right it'd need a lot of servers and power as you said, but i'm sure egosoft could sort something out if they really wanted to.
Yes, I'm sure the only factor involved here is Egosoft's desire to do something. The costs of developing this extra functionality has no bearing on the decision, nosiree! :roll:
Yes you're right, of course lol, i'm not a complete numskull :lol: (allthough i can't deny there is a little in me)

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Post by Mergelsberg » Fri, 10. Oct 08, 14:49

I read somewhere that someone tried to make a mod which allowed a "client" to synchronise with a "host" and players would appear like NPCs to the others.

But aparently this failed as it required insane amounts of bandwidth to actually get all the data across from the host to the client. Something in the order of 150MB/s (multicast over several 1Gbit links) and even then there were massive sync issues and it was generally unstable.

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Post by CBJ » Fri, 10. Oct 08, 15:01

Gavrushka wrote:...It would be great but the following responses will tell you why not..

Here's some of them..

SETA

Management of empires when player not on line

Pure computing power
Actually the gameplay and technical challenges have little or nothing to do with it. As pjknibbs obliquely implied, it's all about money.

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Post by KoshZdryh » Fri, 10. Oct 08, 15:09

We are a 300 K community ... Money should not be a problem.
The question is : DO WE REALLY WANT MULTIPLAYER ?
Perhaps a smart sticky poll about that should be posted by EGOSOFT.
I don't think it would break the forum rules.
Please think about that.
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Post by CBJ » Fri, 10. Oct 08, 15:15

Er, I don't think you quite understand. The size of the player community has nothing to do with it, unless you are about to pass the hat around and demand a few €/$/£ from every forum member. And a poll isn't going to make any difference either. If the money isn't there (we're talking millions here, needed up front, and a year or two before there are likely to be any returns from sales) then it simply isn't going to happen.

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Post by Electric-Shadow » Fri, 10. Oct 08, 15:27

CBJ wrote:Er, I don't think you quite understand. The size of the player community has nothing to do with it, unless you are about to pass the hat around and demand a few €/$/£ from every forum member. And a poll isn't going to make any difference either. If the money isn't there (we're talking millions here, needed up front, and a year or two before there are likely to be any returns from sales) then it simply isn't going to happen.
That's the sad thing, money is always the problem with these things, I wasn't saying you absolutely had to make a multiplayer version, if it was possible it would be awesome to do.

Still we have Terran Conflict to look forward to and from what i've seen of the trailers it looks stunning, but can we have some more vids....pretty please :D

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Post by KoshZdryh » Fri, 10. Oct 08, 15:35

CBJ wrote:Er, I don't think you quite understand. The size of the player community has nothing to do with it, unless you are about to pass the hat around and demand a few €/$/£ from every forum member. And a poll isn't going to make any difference either. If the money isn't there (we're talking millions here, needed up front, and a year or two before there are likely to be any returns from sales) then it simply isn't going to happen.
Being sponsored is not the same as begging .
Problem is : although there are many fans/forumists not many of them would want multiplayer and even less could contribue ...
Quite a big problem I'm afraid.
That would be a first : a game made form the players' money.
Utopy 100% ?

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Post by Kor'ah » Fri, 10. Oct 08, 15:36

There is a multiplayer X3. It's called EvE-Online.

Why reinvent the wheel?
[X3] Guide to training CAG and CLS1&2 pilots
[X3T] Guide to training CAG and CLS1&2 pilots in Terran Conflict

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Post by Rapier » Fri, 10. Oct 08, 15:40

Kor'ah wrote:Why reinvent the wheel?
What if Bernd had had thought when he decided to make a game many people call a new 'Elite'?
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Post by Kor'ah » Fri, 10. Oct 08, 16:51

Rapier wrote:What if Bernd had had thought when he decided to make a game many people call a new 'Elite'?
Not relevant. Elite is vapor-ware.

A full-on multiplayer X3 would be expected to directly compete with eve, even if it was never ment to. Then there is the "freelancer" problem of there only being a handfull of usefull (overpowered) ships with the rest just fodder.

The other option would be a multiplayer element run through the combat simulator. That would be considered a gimick.

Best option in my view is Co-op play. Problem here is a basic multiplayer fact. A vast majority of players want to beat the snot out of another human player or team of players. Not help them build something.
[X3] Guide to training CAG and CLS1&2 pilots
[X3T] Guide to training CAG and CLS1&2 pilots in Terran Conflict

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