[***Project***] Continuum Galaxy Concept

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[***Project***] Continuum Galaxy Concept

Post by Realspace » Thu, 31. Jan 08, 19:02

CONTINUUM GALAXY CONCEPT ... i.e. getting rid of all those box-sectors! :D

This project aims as first to continue the cosmetic enhancement started with my Backgrounds Mod

This time the planets are under study, some new planets have already been finished (see pics below)

But the goal is bigger, a complete redifinition of the galaxy according to a continuum concept, i.e. getting rid of the box-sectors.

I already managed to create contiguos sectors that are connected not by a gate but by a jump area, practically I've spanned an entire sectors into (upto) 5 sectors.

Planetary areas are now composed by 1 inhabitable core planet + its moons, and you can smoothly travel from one to the other just pointing to the direction of the celestial body or targeting the transfer area

Each planetary region is connected to another planetary region (let's imagine earth to mars to jupiter), each composed as the above (planet + moons). You can travel from region to region after reaching the external moon of a region, then HAVE TO FLY IN UNCHARTED SPACE TO REACH NEXT PLANETARY REGION

All these regions are part of a solar system (so same sun and backgrounds) and are connected as said.

Gates are still there but, as they should be, they are big powerfull artifacts that make possible to jump from system to system. The galactic jump is thus possible only from one of the regions, usually the home planet, and the place where these marvelous gates are is HEAVLY patrolled. THERE IS ALSO A LONG ROUTE BETWEEN SYSTEMS THAT YOU CAN FLY THROUGH, IT IS NEVERTHERELESS A ROUGH UNCHARTED SPACE FULL OF DANGERS...

As example, you can jump via gate from Earth to the main planet of Epsilon Eridani, but have to travel sub-light if you want to explore moons and other planets of the system.


a sample form the newly designed ARGON system

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Let's summarize: there are 3 levels of travels,
*from planet to moons (simply fly there, transfer areas),
*from planet to planet in-system (through EMPTY SPACE),
*from system to system (via jumpgates OR EMPTY SPACE)



some game footage, as you can see you can practically target a planet or moon and coomand the ship to go there
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Then, of course, all the features introduced by the (no more availavble) Realspace Galaxy Mod, i.e. ships flying faster, long range guns and sensors, steering and manouvrability heavly affected by mass and engines, etc.

Speed is limited for all ships at 999 m/s (I AM MEDITATING ON REDUCING IT TO 499..) otherwise the AI gets crazy, this together with 10x seta is nevertherless not enough to travel the distances.

Jumpdrive will be still available but only with capital ships and will be the advanced (Cycrow's) so doesn't take into account the gates but simply jump from place to place at wish, smaller ships will have to use the above said connections. probably the XXL frighters will also mount a jumpdrive, that has to be very expensive thou.

For sub-light travel, since the distances are now very big (4000 km each sector and it is only a part of a planetary region), a slipstream drive will be necessary. Cycrow has made one so if it is still available that one will be included.

Traveling the distances means a lot more ambushes by pirates and secrets bases can occour, just imagine how Freelancer is, maybe even some secret wormhole could be added

The mod is 80% accurate work on galaxy setup, it takes a lot to create contiguos sectors with relative planets/moons. Stations are not casual but strictly related to the role of the sector inside the map, etc.

As it is in the air, this project will probably merge with the New Horizon Mod so to benefit from all its ships, etc.

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Scripts, etc. that will be probably included:

* Slipstream Drive (kinf of seta but working on single ship), by Cycrow
* Advanced Jumpdrive available only as XL, by Cycrow
* Advanced thruster controll (if working), to shut off the inertial dumpners (very usefull for high speed fightings), by Cycrow


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% completeduptonow:

- 25% of the map (Argon SYSTEM),
- finished and working invisible transfer areas
- finished and working transfer stations

- many small cosmetic improvements (asteroids, belt, planets)
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Here I'll list all the issues/problem I'm facing, hoping in some good hint! :)



- I managed to create half-size planets that can occupyt the space of a sector (very nice, you can travel from lighted to dark surface, since SUN STAYS REALLY BEHIND THE PLANET) but dont' know if NP ships are able to cross the sector bypassing this huge object at the center

- eventually, instead of using transfer stations for region to region jump, I was thinking in using some kind of TRANSFER SHIPS, as an old Mammuth where you dock and get transferred to the next planet region, but if it can work for small ships what about NPC capital ships, do they manage to use jumpdrive if this "virtual gate" is so small or do they try to use it and get crashed?


[!! Note!!] Even if I finally seem to have a decent understanding of X3 files structure etc. and am confortable that, given time, this project will be realized as it is explained, .... SCRIPTING is my weak point, better to say my NULL point, I don't know anything!!! SO ANY HELP IN THIS MATTER WOULD BE APPRECIATED, expecially AI IMPROVEMENT!

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Some pics of the new planets
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as eycandy on "planet research" a pic that shows the same moon using different shaders (so bump and spec): left: the new one, right: the vanilla one

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...uploading further infos....
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Post by Osiris_sam » Thu, 31. Jan 08, 19:31

sounds pretty gud... those planets look fantastic :) looking forward to playing with this ;)
seta is gonna be a much bigger part of this than it was in vanilla (not that it wasnt big in vanilla)

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Post by Deathwalker1701 » Thu, 31. Jan 08, 19:51

Looks good will give it go when its out :)

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Post by enenra » Thu, 31. Jan 08, 22:36

Sounds all great but isn't it possible to make a version with the new map, planets etc. but without the changes to the ships (e.g. ship speed, weapon range etc.)
And to have a version without another mod in it would also be great. :)

to speak: I love the new planets, your ideas for the change of the map and all but I like the rest of X3 better as it is now. :)

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Post by Tenlar Scarflame » Thu, 31. Jan 08, 23:51

This looks like fun... :D

Keep up the awesome work, Realspace. This might be good enough to forsake XTended for... might be :wink:
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Post by Gazz » Fri, 1. Feb 08, 01:49

DSE [ITF] wrote:isn't it possible to make a version with the new map, planets etc. but without the changes to the ships (e.g. ship speed, weapon range etc.)
Chill!
You can still try and rip it to shreds when it's finished! =P
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Post by Realspace » Fri, 1. Feb 08, 11:38

try to cross a 4000 km sector at the actual speed of a nova (150 m/s = 540 km/h !!! :( ) and tell me ho it feels! :lol:

really, this is part of the mod, space is big and so it must feel ... the point is, fighting at high speed is not impossible, only more challenging :twisted: ... we'l make some testing with volunteers when ready, up to now I found that a limit of 999 m/s makes the fight still possible with the current AI ... and on top that ships don't go crahing everywhere... :P

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Post by enenra » Fri, 1. Feb 08, 14:04

I'd prefer something like a special engine for wider distances that puts the ship to such a speed but which you can disable. Something like the drive engine in Freelancer (don't know if it's actually called like that)
Lucike in the german forum made such a script - it's called "Reiseantrieb". But of course, it does not accelerate the ships to such a big speed - not a big thing to change as far as I know.
He did that script for a Mod which does something quite simliar as yours - not the map and all but with the jumpdrive: Only CapShips will be able to use it.

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Post by Realspace » Fri, 1. Feb 08, 14:36

thanks for the hint, very usefull!! :wink:

Also Thegisley was working on a similar script, it increases the speed of ship when in autopilot (no seta but real speed), so very similar to freelancer. it would have been a good solution, unfortunally he seems to have discontinued and nevere released anything.. :cry:

otherwise there's the Afterburner by Cycrow. I don't mean it as it is, maybe Cycrow could make one that get initiated only with autopilot! i don't know what would be better, and also what is really possible... :?

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Post by enenra » Fri, 1. Feb 08, 16:11

I don't think one that works only with autopilote on would be good - although it certainly is possible. I'd prefer to take the weapons or even the weapons and the shields from the ship which has the drive engine enabled.

I personally don't like taking Energy Cells from the ship that is using the engine - engines should be using fuel and if the normal engine does not use fuel, an advanced engine should not, too.

EDIT: I ust realised that it would be more fitting to call this "engine" a "power bypass device" - or something like that. (I don't know which english word is used in this context but you should get what I mean)
Because it redirects the power of the weapons and shields to the engine.

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Post by Realspace » Fri, 1. Feb 08, 16:55

yes, me too, but energy cells apart it works really fine and fits to my mod perfectly. only i don't know if NPC ships would use it. Still, I've to experiment the Slipstream too and see what is best for the mod. Lucike's script is very user friendly but requires you buy the stuff (ok) and those damn energy cells, the slipstream shoul on its side finally take rid of the seta (somebody doesn't like it), don't know... :?

both make use of weapon unavailability during drive, which is ok, only Lucike's Traveldrive makes you ship really accelerate what is odd if, as you said, you want to catch a trade ship while it is travelling. but, this would mean that also NPC ships use it (do they?), otherwise it would be an advantage only for player (indeed its freighters can travel fast and not be taken by pirates), so what :?

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Post by Cycrow » Fri, 1. Feb 08, 17:01

the slipstream drive is basically a device that sends the ship in a straight line at a much faster speed than is usually possible.

it doesn't increase the ships speed, so acceleration and deceleration dont make a difference.

the slipstream drive can be activated manually like the afterburner with a hotkey, but its also activated automaticlly via the auto pilot for any ship that equips it.

any movement while in slipstream will bring you back to normal space flight

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Post by Realspace » Fri, 1. Feb 08, 17:14

yes, that's what would make me prefer the slipstream, since it is as the name sais kinda in-sector mini-jump, not a thruster push, what makes no sense (indeed there no eason to revert to lower speed after you use it, inertia would bring you forward at constat speed..).

do the NPC ships also use slipstream (mean do they buy it and use autonomously?)

p.s. I can't use it, maybe this old version I have.. it seems not to be in the ware list (scripts are anabled, of course), I only fiond the new key to bind to it but not the device. pushing the kwy doesn't result into activaation anyway..

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Re: [***Project***] Continuum Galaxy Concept

Post by Phlt » Fri, 1. Feb 08, 19:42

Realspace wrote:As it is in the air, this project will probably merge with the New Horizon Mod so to benefit from all its ships, etc.
We shall do our best to make this great project to happen! :)

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Post by enenra » Sat, 2. Feb 08, 01:14

If it's possible, I'd like to look into your mod. I'm interested in how you do the whole thing with the diffrent areas in one sector.

If that's okay, please send the files to dse.commander (at) bluemail.ch :)

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