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PostPosted: Sun, 15. Jan 06, 10:55    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

i've had a think about it....and, err....ummm, read some material....and i see another part of your problem. Other than my fore-mentioned post (Up the page people.), i see that you people are buying fresh, off the shelf gerbils.
This is a clear mistake. A brand new gerbil, fresh from the shop, has no idea where it is going. You need a seasoned vetern to understand the complexities, and indeed the dire nessessity, of navigating a dark region of space (Note: i did not say "A region of space that is dark." That's just childish and might draw the attention of a few of the smarter moderators.).
So stop shopping at R.Gere's Pet-O-Rama and go around to the guys house and raid his personal stash. If you happen to be the guy who gets there after the guy before, then steal R.G's dvd collection to watch between gates.

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PostPosted: Sun, 15. Jan 06, 13:58    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Kitch wrote:
Hmmm... does anyone think it might be intentionally bad? You know, in a way to make people fly manually more. Was there a perceived problem that people would flawlessly fly around the whole universe on autopillok (tm - great phrase apricot) ot that good path plotting was too risk free or too time / resource / gerbil intensive to include?


The term wasnt mine, I just picked it up and ran with it Smile

It is just so expressive of the situation and what we all feel Smile

Re intentional, I'd hate to think so, but since so many other good X2 1.4 things were sabataged for X3, one has to consider it. Sad


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PostPosted: Tue, 17. Jan 06, 15:35    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Well, with the beta version of 1.3.1 out, I thought maybe that gerbil servitude may be a thing of the past.

Alas, they gave the poor little thing a window, but it still cant see where its going.

Not only does my Mammoth continue to be suicidal, but now the auto-pillok on my own ship just smacks me into asteroids about 1 in 5 times now instead of 1 in 50 before.

Well they did warn it was a beta. I guess now I either uninstall and reinstall to 1.3, or I uninstall and leave it until someone actually guarentees the auto-pillok is fixed. Sad


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PostPosted: Tue, 17. Jan 06, 15:45    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

It would be nice they added better avoidance to the game, however it's a non-issue to me as i never use auto-pilot; i prefer point and dock by way of docking computer when within 5k of target. As for wingmen, i never use them unless they add the ability to have them auto refuel because i jump around alot.

BTW i think the gerbil fetish some of you seem to have is rather unhealthy, Besides they are clearly using guinea pigs Laughing


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PostPosted: Wed, 18. Jan 06, 02:08    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Dgn Master wrote:
BTW i think the gerbil fetish some of you seem to have is rather unhealthy, Besides they are clearly using guinea pigs Laughing


I'd say based on the fact that my errand running is twice as dangerous as my bounty hunting trips to pirate sectors, that the autopillok is obviously powered by lemmings.

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PostPosted: Wed, 18. Jan 06, 15:29    Post subject: Gerbils ? Reply with quote Print

Gerbils?, I think you crediting the AutoPilot with to much inteligence.

It's really a long stick on the front of the ship with a push button on the end, to tell it when somethings in the way, then the ship just turns right, goes forward 50m then tries to head in a straight line towards it's target again.......

PS don't even try AutoPilot with cap ships (other than the Mamouth) they just can't turn fast enough.......

Come on Egosoft how about an AutoPilot than can actually do route planning, rather than just fly in staight lines.

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PostPosted: Wed, 18. Jan 06, 15:38    Post subject: Re: Gerbils ? Reply with quote Print

NeilDingley wrote:
Come on Egosoft how about an AutoPilot than can actually do route planning, rather than just fly in staight lines.


Here Here.

The problem is not moving ships, its fixed objects. Surely the auto-pillok is capable of working out a safe route before it actually starts moving the ship, and then only has to cope with things that move along the way.

Granted its a bit more difficult when the target is moving, but all the same, if the starting position has a big asteroid in the direct path, it should be able to calculate the expected movement of the target ship, assuming it is stable, and plot a safe route to the intercept point not even going near any fixed object along the way.

But no, we have to go full speed towards the center of the nearest asteroid and then do full thottle 90 degree turns to avoid it at the very last second, all now with proper physics applied. Auto-pillok !


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PostPosted: Wed, 18. Jan 06, 19:18    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Very Happy Maybe we should change the name to "AUTO-PILEUP" Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed, 18. Jan 06, 19:22    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Actually you are all wrong, Gerbils are very intelligent rodents, the problem with the auto pillok is that the navigation software is provided by............... insert the name of your least favorite supplier. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Wed, 18. Jan 06, 19:31    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

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Gerbils?, Gerbils?

Thats where your going wrong, the Boron use Hampsters


You do realise Hamsters are pretty well blind don't you.
Going with the Gerbil is probably a better bet Very Happy


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some bits of string and a Sinclair Spectrum ZX81, anything you can do to ease your flight will help.


The ZX81 and the Spectrum are 2 different things.

ZX81 had 0.5K memory and Spectrum had 48k Surprised EDIT: 1k (ZX80 had 0.5)

The ZX81 had a touch sensitive sheet of plastic as a keyboard with
the keys printed on it.
(well touch sensitive to a hammer anyway).

The Spectrum had rubber keys and my Hamster ate the letter k.


A bit sad that I know all this admittedly Embarassed but there you are.

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PostPosted: Wed, 18. Jan 06, 19:42    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Is there a reason you are spelling it auto-"pillok" instead of autopilot?... It's starting to annoy me Smile.

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PostPosted: Wed, 18. Jan 06, 19:46    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

It's a mildly insulting term used by English people.
Not entirely sure it's spelt like that though.

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PostPosted: Thu, 19. Jan 06, 03:04    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

unfunfofmpc wrote:
Is there a reason you are spelling it auto-"pillok" instead of autopilot?... It's starting to annoy me Smile.


Sorry about that.

Yes, it is a mildly insulting term of endearment, British origin I think. Us Australians know a good insult when we hear it and will use anyones Smile

Basically, its a way of releasing some of the frustration, and getting accross to any Ego people who read here that there is a problem and it isnt fixed yet, without having to make repeated complaints about it. Sort of like an ongoing protest without the protest.

Its actually a term I would not have thought of, but it fits so well, since you call someone a pillok when they do stupid things. And consistently flying into solid objects is pretty stupid !


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PostPosted: Thu, 19. Jan 06, 03:20    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I suppose we should be glad they aren't using Lemmings. "Hey guys, lets take this convoy to Xenon 101!"

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PostPosted: Thu, 19. Jan 06, 03:32    Post subject: Re: Gerbils ? Reply with quote Print

apricotslice wrote:
NeilDingley wrote:
Come on Egosoft how about an AutoPilot than can actually do route planning, rather than just fly in staight lines.


Here Here.

The problem is not moving ships, its fixed objects. Surely the auto-pillok is capable of working out a safe route before it actually starts moving the ship, and then only has to cope with things that move along the way.

Granted its a bit more difficult when the target is moving, but all the same, if the starting position has a big asteroid in the direct path, it should be able to calculate the expected movement of the target ship, assuming it is stable, and plot a safe route to the intercept point not even going near any fixed object along the way.

But no, we have to go full speed towards the center of the nearest asteroid and then do full thottle 90 degree turns to avoid it at the very last second, all now with proper physics applied. Auto-pillok !


There seems to be some misconceptions about the difficulty of programming a pathfinding routine. It's actually a rather difficult thing to do in reality. Part of the problem stems from having a practically infinite number of start positions, as well as an unknown number of obstacles, both stationary and moving, along the projected route. Now, it would be easy enough to have a vehicle move along a given path to the first known obstacle, stop, replot its course and continue. But when the ship is moving, it's calculations are inherently inaccurate, just due to the delay in calculating the route from a position that's no longer valid. That built-in delay for a moving object is a large part of the problem. And the more complex the route, the more complex the equations, and the longer it takes to calculate. And the more CPU power needed and hence potential lag. And if you add SETA into the mix, it can be a downright nightmare!

As a point of reference, modern aircraft autopilots are not trusted to do much more than maintain level flight at a set speed. All maneuvering is done manually by the pilot, or at least under some sort of pilot control. I certainly wouldn't feel safe having a piece of software fly me through the maze of aircraft that can be found over a busy modern airport! And you expect a game's autopilot to fly you through a maze of stations, ships and asteroids with nary a hiccup. HA! You want a safe flight, fly it yourself. And save autopilot for those areas where there are few obstacles. That's my advice; take it or leave it. Razz


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