I spotted a common factor, being the fact that there absolutely is none
..sb audigy's, x-fi,7800's, GT6800's, x800's, x850xt, amd, intel, 1gig, 2 gig, agp, pci-e....
Rigs couldn't be much more different from eachother sofar.
What seems to solve things for one, doesn't make a difference for another.
Also the fact that there hasn't been a official reply to this (except the infamous codec-stuff, which IF being the problem, clearly, very clearly needs to be explained a lot more indepth, cause even without the excellent community help in this forum, most of us still remain with a X3 stopped dead in it's tracks by the PSG) doesn't help much....we could have at least a hint or some help as to in what general direction the problem must be looked aft fore.
Currently it's still guessing, trying and hoping to get lucky.
PSG do freeze 1.3
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Ahem... Have you checked your codecs?Moxy wrote:I spotted a common factor, being the fact that there absolutely is none
..sb audigy's, x-fi,7800's, GT6800's, x800's, x850xt, amd, intel, 1gig, 2 gig, agp, pci-e....
Rigs couldn't be much more different from eachother sofar.
What seems to solve things for one, doesn't make a difference for another.
Also the fact that there hasn't been a official reply to this doesn't help much....we could have at least a hint or some help as to in what general direction the problem must be looked aft fore.
Currently it's still guessing, trying and hoping to get lucky.
Wanderin' the wastelands...
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Ahem... Have you checked your codecs?
Funny guy.
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shadowfawx
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Absolutely untrue. MANY others are having the exact same problem, all as a direct result of 1.3.CBJ wrote:The freezing is as likely to be caused by sound issues or even file access problems as anything else. Since others aren't having problems with the effect, it is unlikely to be that. Check that your sound drivers are up to date, and try switching off anti-virus software temporarily to see whether that is holding up disk access.
Incidentally, it would help if you gave a more meaningful description of your graphics card. There have been many "Ultra" cards in the GeForce range over the years, and they vary greatly in performance.
Let's not avoid the issue here.
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The freezing is definitely 1.3 related. I used all ranges of graphics options available in 1.2.01, including some of those at the driver level, and while PSGs could at times cause significant framerate drops, it did not behave anything like 1.3. In fact, when the PSGs dont cause the extreme frame stuttering, they operate very smoothly, much more smoothly than in 1.2.01. PSGs look much better in 1.3 than they did in 1.2.01. I have no idea if this is related.
IMO this is a top priority issue.
IMO this is a top priority issue.
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>>Temporary 1.3 PSG-BUG fix now available<<
What?
-This is a minimod, it's a workaround to fix the 1.3 PSG bug so many of us have fallen victim to.
Who?
-Anyone who experiences tremendous framerate-loss /freezes due to PSG's effects/fire since the 1.3 patch and is pretty sure they have followed-up on every other help/problem/sound/codec issue on this forum without the proper effect.
How?
-It modifies the A and B-PSG effect's into HEPT effect's
Where?
-Download the minimod, unrar into the X3/Mods folder, and select the mod from the mod-selection menu in the X3-Splashscreen.
Will this affect any other aspects of my game?
-It's not supposed to, but just to be sure, backup your latest savegames anyway.
Do I need to start a new game?
-No, all A/B PSG's will have the new effect at once.
Version : 1.0a
DOWNLOAD:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=O0B3JDMC
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Known issues:
-PSG dammage model affected/degraded due to new (non-area)effect.
-PSG doesn't have sound effects.
-Mod is no-Cockpits atm.
> if it proofs to be working for everyone,
I'll make one with cockpits as well.
REQUEST:
-Plz report back/feedback here with any issue's you encounter when using this mod .
(does it work, doesn't it, why not if so, what else? etc. etc.)
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DISCLAIMER:
This is NON-official software. Use at your own risk!
By no means does Egosoft or any other party have
got anything to do with it.
Should this software blow up your computer,
kill your neighbours, make your German Shepperd into a Chiwawa
or spawn 10.000 frogs into your bathroom
then don't blame it on anyone but yourself.
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What?
-This is a minimod, it's a workaround to fix the 1.3 PSG bug so many of us have fallen victim to.
Who?
-Anyone who experiences tremendous framerate-loss /freezes due to PSG's effects/fire since the 1.3 patch and is pretty sure they have followed-up on every other help/problem/sound/codec issue on this forum without the proper effect.
How?
-It modifies the A and B-PSG effect's into HEPT effect's
Where?
-Download the minimod, unrar into the X3/Mods folder, and select the mod from the mod-selection menu in the X3-Splashscreen.
Will this affect any other aspects of my game?
-It's not supposed to, but just to be sure, backup your latest savegames anyway.
Do I need to start a new game?
-No, all A/B PSG's will have the new effect at once.
Version : 1.0a
DOWNLOAD:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=O0B3JDMC
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Known issues:
-PSG dammage model affected/degraded due to new (non-area)effect.
-PSG doesn't have sound effects.
-Mod is no-Cockpits atm.
> if it proofs to be working for everyone,
I'll make one with cockpits as well.
REQUEST:
-Plz report back/feedback here with any issue's you encounter when using this mod .
(does it work, doesn't it, why not if so, what else? etc. etc.)
===============================================
DISCLAIMER:
This is NON-official software. Use at your own risk!
By no means does Egosoft or any other party have
got anything to do with it.
Should this software blow up your computer,
kill your neighbours, make your German Shepperd into a Chiwawa
or spawn 10.000 frogs into your bathroom
then don't blame it on anyone but yourself.
===============================================
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Well it's definitely FX related! In my case anyway. I downloaded the X3 editor and managed to replace my problem weapon's FX (PSG, MD, ID) with AIRE FX and guess what? NO MORE BAD FRAME RATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! At least not for the last 3 hours of play...
We'll see what happens after I find a nice, big Xenon horde...
We'll see what happens after I find a nice, big Xenon horde...
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driftdriver
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Yeah! Thanks Moxy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had to disect your mod to figure out how to change my other weapons.driftdiver wrote:Thank You moxy
This is what Iv been waiting for / wanting for the last few days.
I'll let you know if I have any problems
Maybe EGOSOFT should give you a job.
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NewAgeMobile
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I Just met a Falcon in Elina's who had a PSG, and no slide show! (even on an old fx5200 card)
My PC is quite low end for x3 (about as much cpu, mainboard, and ram I could get for £100 @ the end of Nov. - It wasn't just x3). I'm using the onboard ac97 sound.
I started a new game with the LessRoids script by BlackRain, further modded to about 4-8 of the new roids per sector (I doubt i'll ever want to mine them. They impacted the frame rate a lot for me, and I'd rather play than look @ eye candy). If anyone can take them out without having to restart....
I also noticed that my MP10 codec versions were not the latest (I had downloaded and installed it on 5 December from the Microsoft site, only never used it). So had updated that too.
Was it the restart? or was it the roids? or the very latest mp10 codec?
In my old game with full roids, I was getting a slideshow, then things started to go white (after killing the psg pirate). First the menu textures, then the rest. I also experienced out of place white triangles. esp. if I had made it to another sector. I can't remember if I had met a psg in a sector without the new roids.
Sempron 2800+
GeForce fx5200
AC97 on Gigabyte k8vt800
512mb ddr 400.
4yr old HDD (slow in todays world). 25.5gb free on a 38gb partition.
TomsEvenLessRoids
p.s. I also get a performance boost by setting the Music vol at 0. Swapfileing the music was causing a delay when it changed - Having no music did not affect the PSG in my old game.
My PC is quite low end for x3 (about as much cpu, mainboard, and ram I could get for £100 @ the end of Nov. - It wasn't just x3). I'm using the onboard ac97 sound.
I started a new game with the LessRoids script by BlackRain, further modded to about 4-8 of the new roids per sector (I doubt i'll ever want to mine them. They impacted the frame rate a lot for me, and I'd rather play than look @ eye candy). If anyone can take them out without having to restart....
I also noticed that my MP10 codec versions were not the latest (I had downloaded and installed it on 5 December from the Microsoft site, only never used it). So had updated that too.
Was it the restart? or was it the roids? or the very latest mp10 codec?
In my old game with full roids, I was getting a slideshow, then things started to go white (after killing the psg pirate). First the menu textures, then the rest. I also experienced out of place white triangles. esp. if I had made it to another sector. I can't remember if I had met a psg in a sector without the new roids.
Sempron 2800+
GeForce fx5200
AC97 on Gigabyte k8vt800
512mb ddr 400.
4yr old HDD (slow in todays world). 25.5gb free on a 38gb partition.
TomsEvenLessRoids
p.s. I also get a performance boost by setting the Music vol at 0. Swapfileing the music was causing a delay when it changed - Having no music did not affect the PSG in my old game.
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In my last post I mentioned that I had started again without the new asteroids (unplayable with my video card because it goes from slick to 1-5 fps depending on looking at them or not).
I went back to my old save (with all the new asteroids) to see what happened and the PSG related slowdown did not come back.
I can only conclude that it must have been the media player update that fixed the PSG in my case. I don't think many would expect software that had been downloaded from the vendor in December to be out of date, but it was. And I had to set it to check for an update daily while online, and it checked after a short wait with the program still open.
So I guess if there is a moral, then it is that it may not be enough to re-install media player 10. You may also have to get it to update before returning to using your preferred software. Especially if you have a habbit of killing update processes (LOL).
I went back to my old save (with all the new asteroids) to see what happened and the PSG related slowdown did not come back.
I can only conclude that it must have been the media player update that fixed the PSG in my case. I don't think many would expect software that had been downloaded from the vendor in December to be out of date, but it was. And I had to set it to check for an update daily while online, and it checked after a short wait with the program still open.
So I guess if there is a moral, then it is that it may not be enough to re-install media player 10. You may also have to get it to update before returning to using your preferred software. Especially if you have a habbit of killing update processes (LOL).
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Same problem with mass drivers here.
My config:
P4 2.4, 1Gig RAM, ATI 9600 (128M), onboard AC97 sound card. W2K system.
Yeah .. THAT same sound card. But it does not seem to be sound related. If my back turret shoot, I HEAR the sound with no problem. Only if I turn the ship so I can see the MD bullets, I got stutters (1fps and less, untill the bullets vanishes). Also with some 'trying' game eats all available memory and crashes.
Everything was fine with 1.2.01
I tried defragment (did not help). I've checked codecs prioritites. And there I found one problem. Media Player 10 seems only be available for XP. On W2K you have to use MP9. And some people said that upgrading to 10 solved the problem. So is W2K helpless ? Any official reaction to the problem ?
Can somebody please make mod which alters MDs too ?
My config:
P4 2.4, 1Gig RAM, ATI 9600 (128M), onboard AC97 sound card. W2K system.
Yeah .. THAT same sound card. But it does not seem to be sound related. If my back turret shoot, I HEAR the sound with no problem. Only if I turn the ship so I can see the MD bullets, I got stutters (1fps and less, untill the bullets vanishes). Also with some 'trying' game eats all available memory and crashes.
Everything was fine with 1.2.01
I tried defragment (did not help). I've checked codecs prioritites. And there I found one problem. Media Player 10 seems only be available for XP. On W2K you have to use MP9. And some people said that upgrading to 10 solved the problem. So is W2K helpless ? Any official reaction to the problem ?
Can somebody please make mod which alters MDs too ?
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SieurNewT
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Moxy : Thanks for your mini mod, it fix the things to exchange the PSG with another gun. But its a little bit anoying for the poor Falcons vanguards, now they are useless and poor things 
And about cockpits they dont works anymore due to the "shadow" bug making them only black poor things
So i really wish to have at least your mod with cockpits workings or i will not play untill all thats stuffs are fixes
And about cockpits they dont works anymore due to the "shadow" bug making them only black poor things
So i really wish to have at least your mod with cockpits workings or i will not play untill all thats stuffs are fixes
New Config : Intel 8400 & 4Ghz , 4GB DRR2 on Asus P5Q Pro, ATI 4850 and Win XP 32 bits SP3.
Old config AMD 64 3400 1Mo, MSI k8n neo plat, 7800 GS+ Bliss, 2 GB RAM 3200
Old config AMD 64 3400 1Mo, MSI k8n neo plat, 7800 GS+ Bliss, 2 GB RAM 3200
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Shadowrunner
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OK, after sitting here for an hour and reading this thread, I've decided AGAINST playing my newly updated X3 until these problems are solved by EGOSOFT. I don't want to download any of the communitie's fixes, because that isn't their job.
The 1.3 patch should have fixed what it was going to fix, not create problems. I'm not flaming anyone here, but problems with this game seem to be a recurring point of discussion for this game, no matter what version customers are running.
Will there be no end to this, Ego? Will there be a day when we can play this game virtually bug free? We're still waiting on your response to this thread.
The 1.3 patch should have fixed what it was going to fix, not create problems. I'm not flaming anyone here, but problems with this game seem to be a recurring point of discussion for this game, no matter what version customers are running.
Will there be no end to this, Ego? Will there be a day when we can play this game virtually bug free? We're still waiting on your response to this thread.
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HeinzHarald
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Of course it is. This is the tech support forum you're reading. Is it more active than it "ought" to be? I've got no idea.Shadowrunner wrote:I'm not flaming anyone here, but problems with this game seem to be a recurring point of discussion for this game, no matter what version customers are running.
And now back to tech supporting.