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Re: Trump

Post by RegisterMe » Fri, 20. Nov 20, 22:16

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Fri, 20. Nov 20, 05:36
Joe Biden is needing to grow a set of gonads and start fighting back. He has supposedly said he will not seek justice of any one currently breaking any law, as Trump and republicans try to break the election.
I'm not sure that I agree with that. I think the wisest course of action, both short and long term, is for Biden to effectively recuse himself from any involvement with the justice system at all. By all means have justice take its course, but the President should not be directly involved. Politicisation of the justice system is one of the worst things that Trump has done, and if embedded (more than it already is) in the US it will utterly undermine the US as a nation.

Justice must be apolitical.

And yeah, I know, that's naïve, but....
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Re: Trump

Post by Vertigo 7 » Fri, 20. Nov 20, 22:38

RegisterMe wrote:
Fri, 20. Nov 20, 22:16
felter wrote:
Fri, 20. Nov 20, 05:36
Joe Biden is needing to grow a set of gonads and start fighting back. He has supposedly said he will not seek justice of any one currently breaking any law, as Trump and republicans try to break the election.
I'm not sure that I agree with that. I think the wisest course of action, both short and long term, is for Biden to effectively recuse himself from any involvement with the justice system at all. By all means have justice take its course, but the President should not be directly involved. Politicisation of the justice system is one of the worst things that Trump has done, and if embedded (more than it already is) in the US it will utterly undermine the US as a nation.

Justice must be apolitical.

And yeah, I know, that's naïve, but....
No, that's not naïve at all. It's exactly how it should be, "Equal Justice Under the Law" as is etched on entrance the Supreme Court. That's also exactly how it hasn't been for the last 4 years.

I've never seen a sitting president entwine himself with the DoJ as Trump has.

No, in this case, Biden doesn't need to be involved in any legal actions. His AG, however, should pursue Trump to the ends of the earth and hold him accountable before the American people. This coup attempt cannot stand.
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Re: Trump

Post by RegisterMe » Fri, 20. Nov 20, 23:14

I think I remember seeing an interview with Eric Holder about his time as Obama's AG. He said something along the lines of "Obama never met with me without somebody else present, and never said anything about current or prospective DoJ cases, he just wanted to be kept informed".

Not a bad starting point if you ask me.
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Re: Trump

Post by Vertigo 7 » Fri, 20. Nov 20, 23:55

Presidents shouldn't be micromanaging every department under the executive, anyway. That's just bad management, period. It's one thing for them to provide general expectations and general guidance towards policy impelentation, it's another thing to step in it themselves. If the people appointed to head these departments can't get the job done without being hand held, then the wrong people are in the job. Conversely, if the president is trying to control every aspect of those departments, then he's in the wrong job. Sadly, we've had a mix of the two in the worst possible way.
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Re: Trump

Post by fiksal » Sat, 21. Nov 20, 00:33

Well hello there, I am a little late to the party, but assuming the coup doesn't succeed, we'll still have one later.
I voted in one of the States that switched colors. So... HA!
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Re: Trump

Post by Vertigo 7 » Sat, 21. Nov 20, 01:25

fiksal wrote:
Sat, 21. Nov 20, 00:33
Well hello there, I am a little late to the party, but assuming the coup doesn't succeed, we'll still have one later.
I voted in one of the States that switched colors. So... HA!
How many times did you vote? Are you sure you aint dead? How many fingers am I holding up?
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Re: Trump

Post by Panos » Sat, 21. Nov 20, 13:48

Vertigo 7 wrote:
Fri, 20. Nov 20, 22:38

No, that's not naïve at all. It's exactly how it should be, "Equal Justice Under the Law" as is etched on entrance the Supreme Court. That's also exactly how it hasn't been for the last 4 years.

I've never seen a sitting president entwine himself with the DoJ as Trump has.

No, in this case, Biden doesn't need to be involved in any legal actions. His AG, however, should pursue Trump to the ends of the earth and hold him accountable before the American people. This coup attempt cannot stand.
Which Trump coup?

There is a Constitutional process which is the same since 1785.

a) The electors need to be certified.
b) The Electors select the President-Elect by mid-December. There is NO "President-Elect" until the
However, if no candidate has 270 electors, the election goes to House Delegation to vote. And if there is an issue with this one too, the Supreme Court decides.
c) Wait until 21st Jan for the inauguration.

For (a) to be completed there is a process lasting around 6 weeks where irregularities need to be resolved.
If election results cannot be certified, then need to be recounted, audited, make sure process followed each State Electoral Law etc until this is done or up to December 8th.

Also if one candidate dies BEFORE Electors pick the President, the next one in line with the highest count gets elected.
Not the potential Vice President. ONLY the name of the presidential candidate.

If none is viable to be inaugurated on the Jan 21st, because eg the President resigned on the 20th, but the President-Elect died, the House Speaker becomes the President. (aka Pelosi)

Do not forget Trump is the President until Jan 20th, so bit difficult to coup himself. He can even trigger D51 if circumstances arises on Jan 19th and reform the government as he pleases, effectively voiding any elections rescheduling them for the future. Hell he can claim himself an Emperor and make his position hereditary by using D51.

The MSM, DNC and Big Tech are doing the coup, trying to brush under the carpet the Constitution, it's 240 years always working process trying to crown their own President. This is the real coup and they are "projecting" what they do.

You should be asking yourself why MSM, Big Tech, DNC do not want to follow the process. Why they try to feed you propaganda? Why the DNC rejects a proper auditing on the election of several states? Why Dominion stopped talking to it's customers (PA, GA etc) and lawyer up the last 48 hours while deleting every record of every employee even from LinkedIn?

Stop listening to propaganda. Look at the facts.

And do not forget. Al Gore was crowned by MSM for 36 days as the "President Elect", yet lost on the 37th day by Bush after the Florida recount. On an election that had less irregularities than the 2020 one.

Closing, you should listen to Giuliani full conference 2 days ago. The guy put in prison the Five Families (Mafia) of New York. He is not some random person who doesn't know what he is doing, except using bad dye for his hair :mrgreen:

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Re: Trump

Post by jlehtone » Sat, 21. Nov 20, 19:35

Panos wrote:
Sat, 21. Nov 20, 13:48
Stop listening to propaganda. Look at the facts.
All the "facts" seem to be eagerly labeled as "propaganda" and "lies" by the other team.


On the other hand, when Trump says that there is a fraud, it is easy to believe that he believes so.
If he is already committing one, then it is natural for him to expect everyone else to do the same.

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Re: Trump

Post by Vertigo 7 » Sat, 21. Nov 20, 20:33

Panos wrote:
Sat, 21. Nov 20, 13:48
Closing, you should listen to Giuliani full conference 2 days ago. The guy put in prison the Five Families (Mafia) of New York. He is not some random person who doesn't know what he is doing, except using bad dye for his hair :mrgreen:
Why should I? If what he's alleging is true, why is it in, what, 30 cases now, they haven't been able to prove any of it in court? Why is it that they say "oh we didn't have observers" and "ohhh all these dead people voted" on and on in front of a camera but when they get in front of a judge, what they're telling the judge is "yeah, we had observers" "no, we don't have evidence of fraudulent votes"?

Now they're saying "oh, these counties let voters fix problems with their envelopes but we didn't let our counties so no ones vote should count even though there's no law that says we can't let them fix their ballots before Nov 3, we just hate people that vote so we were dicks in our republican controlled counties. And there was only a small number of these that wouldn't come close to changing the results so lets just toss the whole state results!"

Sorry, but elections aren't won by "dibs".
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Re: Trump

Post by felter » Sat, 21. Nov 20, 20:58

All those years back I actually kind of liked Rudi, I agreed with a lot of the things he was saying and condemning. Then all these years later I seen him for what he is, all those things he was condemning back then, he is now actively advocating those same things as he is committing those acts or defending Trump while he is committing those acts. The man is a hypocrite, a liar and just generally not a nice person, and probably should be in jail along with the ones he sent there, as he is not that much better than them. He has managed to totally and completely destroy his legacy as mayor of NYC.
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Re: Trump

Post by red assassin » Sun, 22. Nov 20, 00:09

There's a good archive here of all the lawsuits, so you can see in exhaustive detail exactly how much evidence the Trump campaign doesn't have of any fraud.
https://www.democracydocket.com/case_ty ... -election/
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Re: Trump

Post by felter » Sun, 22. Nov 20, 02:53

Could you imagine Trump doing this.
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Re: Trump

Post by Rug » Sun, 22. Nov 20, 10:49

Rudi said "Today's decision turns out to help us in our strategy to get expeditiously to the US Supreme Court."

So is the losing cases part of the plan all along?? I doubt it personally. Just talking up a series of failures...

But if trump does have enough fans in the supreme Court, then could he just pull off the crime of the century? Stealing a whole country?

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Re: Trump

Post by matthewfarmery » Sun, 22. Nov 20, 14:34

Rug wrote:
Sun, 22. Nov 20, 10:49
Rudi said "Today's decision turns out to help us in our strategy to get expeditiously to the US Supreme Court."

So is the losing cases part of the plan all along?? I doubt it personally. Just talking up a series of failures...

But if trump does have enough fans in the supreme Court, then could he just pull off the crime of the century? Stealing a whole country?

Rug
I doubt this will go to the supreme court, I have already mentioned that the supreme court has zero interest in handling this. Just one case might have been presented before them, and that isn't looking likly.

also

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/what-happened ... 37744.html

US Election: What Happened In Pennsylvania Yesterday And Why It's Devastating For Donald Trump

Another major loss for Trump. And he now trying to lean on republican states to chuck out votes and declare him a winner.

Trump is just getting desperate, and its leading nowhere.

Saying that mind, There is still a remote chance that Trump can win this, but it will be the end of America if that happens.
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Re: Trump

Post by fiksal » Sun, 22. Nov 20, 14:48

Vertigo 7 wrote:
Sat, 21. Nov 20, 01:25
fiksal wrote:
Sat, 21. Nov 20, 00:33
Well hello there, I am a little late to the party, but assuming the coup doesn't succeed, we'll still have one later.
I voted in one of the States that switched colors. So... HA!
How many times did you vote? Are you sure you aint dead? How many fingers am I holding up?

All good points!

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