Why is everyone wanting war in x games?

[chew-ie]

I really liked the "layout" of the former universe better - peaceful core sectors of the factions and the "badlands" like the pirate corridor and some first bridge heads of the xenon. Combining these with different AI profiles (pirates & khaak (at least at the beginning) = harrass; xenon = total annihilation; khaak win vs xenon = total annihilation; xenon win vs khaak = khaak profile doesn't change)

And of course dangerous deep space (maelstrom and the like )

That way we'd have a better starting point for various player profiles. For those who don't want to fight, the factions could be united in the fight against the xenon menace by pure diplomatic missions. Adventures types can explore the dangerous places & have their fun. Builders & traders can play in the core sectors, well knowing that it would take a long time to get dangerouse there.

[IronSquid501]

I want something to challenge my trade empire, forcing me to defend my stuff, and the galaxy needs a resource sink. War fixes both of these.

[spankahontis]

An actual dynamic system of war and alliances like in Mount & Blade (simple but efficient) would be enough actually.

It makes every game feel different.

But i also agree than "total war" is boring. Don't have to get space battle at every corner to bring life in the galaxy.

Which you don't in the end, (Exception on the Xenon if not contained) But yeah, Egosoft trying to explain on the forums that Xenon have embraced 60's Flower Power and are sticking to their Sectors to get high?
Yep! Not going to go down well with most people with a sense of X Universe lore.

Where as once the Paranid Civil war (HOP Vs Godrealm/Argon/Antigone Republic) comes to a conclusion, the war is effectively over.
Only conflict will be between Pirates/Xenon/Kha'ak and whether you got the best deal on Claytronics?

I want something to challenge my trade empire, forcing me to defend my stuff, and the galaxy needs a resource sink. War fixes both of these.

To a point.. But when you get rid of the Xenon and the Civil War is over? Then you have a stagnant economy as 95% of it relies on ships being destroyed and replaced.
There needs to be a Plan B, a Separate Economy that relies on consumer spending and not military contracts and war to keep rolling? No War? No Economy.

If the game had a way to tell us well in advance when and where a major invasion would take place (say if we are allied with a faction), so that we could plan to be there when it starts and make a contribution, it would go a long ways towards making war more immersive and engaging.

+1 Absolutely.

Something like Black Rains 'Civil War in Rebirth Mod', you get the War Report that an invasion is happening in a particular Sector that they ask for assistance.
Scramble your fleets and come in guns blazing to save your allies.
That would be awesome to actually engage with your allies or even to be able to send a distress call out to your Allies (If your Relations with them are high enough) if the enemy hates you enough to send a fleet of destroyers into your space to take out your Station Administration.

[Socratatus]

"Why is everyone wanting war in x games?"


Because war happens. In everything. It`s the natural state of the universe rightly or wrongly. Also it`s exciting in games.

Such a silly question.

[spankahontis]

"Why is everyone wanting war in x games?"


Because war happens. In everything. It`s the natural state of the universe rightly or wrongly. Also it`s exciting in games.

Such a silly question.

Like I said, we have conflicts now across the world now, genocides happening across the world, now.
That Humanity has embraced pacifism is not realistic in reality sense.

In a Fantasy universe based on actual Human history as a structure to build the the Terran/Argon lore.
To eradicate the war aspect of Humanity is just lore-breaking and generally insulting to the X Universe; especially when you bring the Xenon into account, they are merciless killing machines, how does the OP tend to explain how we deal with the Xenon' warring tendancies in a lore based fashion? You can't!

It's unrealistic Patty-Cake and it will lose what X fans we have left.

[ZaphodBeeblebrox]

Yet another case where Egosoft need to implement proper levels of difficulty.

At the lowest level the AI only engages in skirmishes and does not attempt sector takeover. This would be similar to X3 Reunion. With some Xenon migration through sectors.

At the highest level, full on wars with sector takeover and lots of Xenon and Kha'ak aggression. With a number of levels in between.

Included in this are changes to weapons, shields and engines and station production to make it easier or harder for the player.

[pref]

Yet another case where Egosoft need to implement proper levels of difficulty.

Think it would be better to set AI aggression level depending on how the game is played:
high fight rank, sector takeovers, large scale destruction, or even a small plot to adjust AI behaviour would feel more natural then a difficulty slider.
If AI actions depend on game events that lends the game world more credibility.

[AshesOfHegemony]

In every space RTS game I've ever played. I always turtle, build a massive fleet and then steam roll the galaxy into a barren wasteland. Why? Because I can. No other reason needed. Besides I like explosions, adrenaline rushes, and seeing shit flying all over my screen.

Once I've killed everyone and everything. I start over and see if I can do it better/faster/more efficiently the second time. I feel like I've won when I've utterly stomped my opponent six ways to Sunday and there are no new ways of winning to discover.

[graphicboy]

depending on how the game is played

Good call. Needs to be able to respond pretty damn quick though, considering an economic game that builds up gigantic fleets with no fight rank would be ... sad, when it was let loose.

[abisha1980]

games like this needs conflicts how would the economy works then?.

[Tomonor]

In my opinion it shouldn't just be about war, but about a complex system of diplomacy and politics. The factions should always be keen on signing treaties and trade negotiations to ensure peace, prosperity, safety, and wealth for their people. However there also should be the ones who would actively try to sabotage these attempts of peace in order to bring war to the factions (thus boosting the economy on the military side).

But this also should work automatically without player intervention. For instance, if there's a treaty to be signed, a faction HQ would send a representative to the other faction's HQ or home system. Then to ensure of this plan's failiure, pirates/terrorists/bounty hunters would be sent after these ships. If the ship gets destroyed, the peace/trade treaty would fail and negotiations would cease, resulting in (another) war soon.

[Solflame]

Two things: One, wars aren't necessarily total wars. Remember, right now all civilian traffic is basically ignored by military fleets. That could honestly use /some/ work (yeah, go ahead CV, build that HOP defense platform in Second Contact, we don't have a problem... ) but just having war won't mean your stuff will get wiped out like it was in X3.

Another is that there are some people like me that while, yes, I do love the economic side, I also love the fleet combat aspect and fighting and all that. Was it ever the most effective or cost-efficient? Heck no. Was it fun as hell? You bet.

Finally, there are tons of areas for all factions that aren't on the Loop that will take a long time for war to progress to. Will it slow down any economic engine? Heck yeah. But if you want to build closer to the transit ways, you'll have to be able to defend your turf when people use those transit ways against you.

Honestly, I'd just like more variety in combat missions more than anything else. Right now it's mostly static defense deployment/destruction or some variant of assassination (kill ship, capture ship, shoot ship until they drop cargo). It'd be nice to see some station defense. Or just straight up escort missions. Yes, I'm asking for ESCORT MISSIONS. That's how dry the variety is right now. Maybe if the AI decides HOP is pushing, War Combat Missions should spawn for that sector. I don't know. Something.

Also, as I was writing this repatomonor posted about diplomacy and stuff, and I love it. Especially since 3.0 actually wants to put more in the way of making your own faction and having faction diplomacy w/ the major factions, if they also used that system between each other that would be cool. Especially if missions were generated based on these situations! HOP is trying to make peace with PAR but stay at war with ARG and ANT? Maybe a little black op mission should be offered... while PAR and HOP should be offering missions to help defend!

[longliveX]

No game can satisfy everyone's appetite, but the game mechanics can satisfy the needs of most people.

If I develop this game, the sectors of a faction should be divided into three categories, core, general, and border. In the core area you are under strict protection. no Xenon, no pirates, you can simply enjoy the joy of construction(
but tax rate 50% ). The general area will be disturbed by pirates and small fleets, and the border is prepared for war madness(no tax! it's too dangerous.haha), and everyone gets what they want.