Will the existing ships get an overhaul?

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Will the existing ships get an overhaul?

Post by Boringnick » Fri, 9. Aug 19, 00:40

The Split ships look far more impressive than the existing ones. Probably because the team got a better handling on the engine and tools.

Will the other ships get an overhaul? It would be kinda weird seeing this red star destroyer:

https://www.egosoft.com/games/x4/screen ... en_090.png

Flying along with these:

https://www.egosoft.com/games/x4/screen ... en_013.jpg

In the same game.

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Re: Will the existing ships get an overhaul?

Post by Skeeter » Fri, 9. Aug 19, 01:46

Imo they will touch up the textures i think of existing ships to match the quality of the new ships, it might not be alot but it should be a nudge up im guessing. They may replace some generic hull plating textures on them with new ones made for the split and just change the colour to match other races ships at the least. Could be wrong too tho so i guess we need to wait to find out. As im sure they will want to avoid a quality inbalance between old ships and new ships coming in the dlc as it would ruin the aesthetic.
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Re: Will the existing ships get an overhaul?

Post by Boringnick » Fri, 9. Aug 19, 02:03

It's not just the textures, but the also the blocky design of the X4 ships.

The Split ones don't seem to follow that aesthetic. Weren't the devs saying the blockiness was needed for gameplay reasons? (docking etc.) How were they able to circumvent it with the Split ships?

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Re: Will the existing ships get an overhaul?

Post by mr.WHO » Fri, 9. Aug 19, 07:29

Boringnick wrote:
Fri, 9. Aug 19, 02:03
The Split ones don't seem to follow that aesthetic. Weren't the devs saying the blockiness was needed for gameplay reasons? (docking etc.) How were they able to circumvent it with the Split ships?
I think they specifically ment the frigates when speaking about blockiness. We don't see frigate on the screen only what looks like Corvette (Dragon?), fighter, M-freighters and L-freighter.

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Re: Will the existing ships get an overhaul?

Post by Imperial Good » Fri, 9. Aug 19, 08:58

I do not think one can compare the images. One is of the Gorgon Frigate and the other appears to be an L transport or mining ship. Additionally the Gorgon appears to be from pre-release as the shading on it appears much more primitive than in game. Specifically the Gorgon is very shiny and has cube map or screen space reflections much like the Split ship which are not visible in that alpha screenshot.

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Re: Will the existing ships get an overhaul?

Post by linolafett » Fri, 9. Aug 19, 09:34

Indeed, imperal good points out the flawed comparison. It would be fairer to compare two large freighters with each other in this case.
This would result in a less drastic, but still very obvious difference in the amount of detail on the ships.

Simply changin the textures on existing ships would not be enough, there would be quite some modeling needed, to get them on similar level of detail.
At the moment, i dont see that we have this time to rework the old assets, sadly.
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Re: Will the existing ships get an overhaul?

Post by Fazmaster » Fri, 9. Aug 19, 10:55

Thank you linolafett for both, the affirmation and clarification on this topic. Hope you will find the time to 'harmonize' the assets when currently more important things are settled.

(Thinking about how SCS handles this for their Euro Truck Simulator 2: While the landscapes in DLCs (like Italia, France or Scandinavia) look absolutely gorgeous the older base map doesn't match in beauty, style and realism. They are now reworking the base map in three stages from north to south and currently it's a pleasure to drive around in the northern part of germany.)

The Split models look fantastic! :) :wink:

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Re: Will the existing ships get an overhaul?

Post by alt3rn1ty » Fri, 9. Aug 19, 11:52

There's also the problem of different races not quite fitting pilot seats well (depends on clothing and race)

And in some cases where they physically do not fit in the cockpit space - Paranid Captain in a Disco, his head sticks into the cockpit roof

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Re: Will the existing ships get an overhaul?

Post by Raevyan » Fri, 9. Aug 19, 12:26

Lets hope that the new ships aren't copy paste statwise. But then we would also need an overhaul of existing ships.

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Re: Will the existing ships get an overhaul?

Post by Fazmaster » Fri, 9. Aug 19, 12:52

I agree. Racial diversity (not just in style) is one of the key elements of X.

Concerning the split it is mentioned somewhere that they'll be statwise also very distinguishable from other fractions.

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Re: Will the existing ships get an overhaul?

Post by linolafett » Fri, 9. Aug 19, 20:17

They will generally have as few shield slots as possible and more(forward facing) weapon slots compared the other races.
How the other stats then will be balanced, i really dont know.
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Re: Will the existing ships get an overhaul?

Post by Max Bain » Fri, 9. Aug 19, 21:05

Will we get additional ships for the existing races? I normally try to play just one race and build only ships of this specific race and right now, the ship portfolio is a bit meh. M ships look like bricks and then we have just two different kind of combat ships bigger than S size. Thats dissappointing and even when there is already a nice mod which adds some more ships, I would like that Egosoft would give us some exra stuff here :).
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Re: Will the existing ships get an overhaul?

Post by Artean » Fri, 9. Aug 19, 21:25

Max Bain wrote:
Fri, 9. Aug 19, 21:05
Will we get additional ships for the existing races? I normally try to play just one race and build only ships of this specific race and right now, the ship portfolio is a bit meh. M ships look like bricks and then we have just two different kind of combat ships bigger than S size. Thats dissappointing and even when there is already a nice mod which adds some more ships, I would like that Egosoft would give us some exra stuff here :).
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I hope we will see more ships for all the races somewhere down the line. X games are all about choices, after all.
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Re: Will the existing ships get an overhaul?

Post by Falcrack » Sat, 10. Aug 19, 01:34

Artean wrote:
Fri, 9. Aug 19, 21:25
Max Bain wrote:
Fri, 9. Aug 19, 21:05
Will we get additional ships for the existing races? I normally try to play just one race and build only ships of this specific race and right now, the ship portfolio is a bit meh. M ships look like bricks and then we have just two different kind of combat ships bigger than S size. Thats dissappointing and even when there is already a nice mod which adds some more ships, I would like that Egosoft would give us some exra stuff here :).
+1

I hope we will see more ships for all the races somewhere down the line. X games are all about choices, after all.
I'd be willing to pay for additional ship types for the existing factions as a DLC pack.

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Re: Will the existing ships get an overhaul?

Post by chew-ie » Sat, 10. Aug 19, 07:26

Of course - same here. X4 directors cut :thumb_up:

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Re: Will the existing ships get an overhaul?

Post by mr.WHO » Sat, 10. Aug 19, 11:43

linolafett wrote:
Fri, 9. Aug 19, 20:17
How the other stats then will be balanced, i really dont know.
Given the current state of X4 ship stats, I can bet the other stats will be just copy/paste.

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Re: Will the existing ships get an overhaul?

Post by Sinthanor » Mon, 12. Aug 19, 21:00

That's sad to hear. The weird looking paranid captial ships were one of the biggest letdown for me - they simply look unfinished.

But I agree split vessel look fabulous.

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Re: Will the existing ships get an overhaul?

Post by DaMuncha » Wed, 14. Aug 19, 13:55

I think the current ships we have look great. For a space sim game I dont think the ships need any more detail than what we have now.
Just... another... bug.

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Re: Will the existing ships get an overhaul?

Post by Mycu » Wed, 14. Aug 19, 14:21

DaMuncha wrote:
Wed, 14. Aug 19, 13:55
I think the current ships we have look great. For a space sim game I dont think the ships need any more detail than what we have now.
Can't agree with this...
Current ships have much worse design than X:R had.
And Split:Vendetta's ships finally look like they should.
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Re: Will the existing ships get an overhaul?

Post by JanB » Wed, 14. Aug 19, 15:00

Overhaul? I want the missing XL ships
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