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PostPosted: Tue, 3. Jul 18, 08:30    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

"General computing" isn't going to benefit from huge numbers of threads. The sorts of workloads that *do* benefit from those are either heavy computing loads (e.g. video rendering and the like), or else when you're seriously into multitasking--e.g. running half a dozen processor intensive apps at the same time. Very few people are likely to fall into that category--you might do if you're streaming games on Twitch, because the game itself will use a chunk of CPU and having some spare for the streaming software is good.

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and that is something i may wish to do with x4. strem it on Twitch.
that is IF. i can get in to the game XR i yet to fully get in to.
i miss the jump gates... it was a easy to understadn system of travel.
all i end up doing on the speed ways in XR is going round in lops. round and round.

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PostPosted: Wed, 11. Jul 18, 21:25    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

well if anyone cears.
i doing a Ryzen 2600 build.
in a Asrock X470 Master SLI Motherboard,
with G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB DDR4-3000 Memory kit.
in a Fractal Design Define R6 Black with TG.

i will update my GFX card later on (about 10 week's) to a 1060 6gb.
i was after something i would be happy with.
and i think i will be happy!

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PostPosted: Wed, 11. Jul 18, 21:56    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

wow, looking good there.. Rolling Eyes

PS: what's the latest with X4..??


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PostPosted: Wed, 11. Jul 18, 22:35    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Chrisalddin wrote:
well if anyone cears.
i doing a Ryzen 2600 build.
in a Asrock X470 Master SLI Motherboard,
with G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB DDR4-3000 Memory kit.
in a Fractal Design Define R6 Black with TG.

i will update my GFX card later on (about 10 week's) to a 1060 6gb.
i was after something i would be happy with.
and i think i will be happy!

I have similar plans Very Happy
Though I am going to buy an older X360 motherboard for the R2600 because they are way cheaper and currently it looks like it is going to be an RX580 because they are cheaper right now as well, at least where I live.

However, this might change a lot until X4 comes out, so there is still time for the 1060 Very Happy. Video prices are falling on a daily basis, not to say plummeting.

And hopefully Egosoft is able to optimize for the Ryzen architecture as well! Very Happy CBJ! Very Happy


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PostPosted: Wed, 11. Jul 18, 23:14    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Tamina wrote:
Chrisalddin wrote:
well if anyone cears.
i doing a Ryzen 2600 build.
in a Asrock X470 Master SLI Motherboard,
with G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB DDR4-3000 Memory kit.
in a Fractal Design Define R6 Black with TG.

i will update my GFX card later on (about 10 week's) to a 1060 6gb.
i was after something i would be happy with.
and i think i will be happy!

I have similar plans Very Happy
Though I am going to buy an older X360 motherboard for the R2600 because they are way cheaper and currently it looks like it is going to be an RX580 because they are cheaper right now as well, at least where I live.

However, this might change a lot until X4 comes out, so there is still time for the 1060 Very Happy. Video prices are falling on a daily basis, not to say plummeting.

And hopefully Egosoft is able to optimize for the Ryzen architecture as well! Very Happy CBJ! Very Happy


i think you was trying to say AMD X370 chipset. as i dont think there is a X360.
ok one thing you need to know about is that If the bios on the board is not updated. (aka the board is 1st wave stock from last year.) you need a AMD CPU to update the bios so it can see and use the Ryzen 2000 CPU's there is a Label on the box for that.
look like this


if it dont have that. it will as i said need a bios update and for that only the Asus Hero X370 can do it without a Cpu install.
and the Asus hero X370 is NOT cheep!
if you order on line it will be Hit or miss if you get one with a updated Bios or not.

BTW my board cost £131

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PostPosted: Wed, 11. Jul 18, 23:59    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

@Chrisalddin
Thanks for the tip, much appreciated! Smile
Hmmm, this sounds risky then. Sad Especially because I am planning to buy online. Not even sure there are any stores selling single computer components.

Correction: I meant the B350 chipset but got confused a little with all those numbers. It is cheaper (80€/70£ vs 150€/131£) since there are no B450 chipsets, yet. And I was told X470 has only minor advantages to X370 for a higher price, so the same would probably go for B350->B450.

50£ are 50£. hmmm.
I am also going for cheaper other components, too, to reach an overall price of currently ~660£ and falling. So there is no "just" 50£ more.

Will think about it, thanks for the warning!


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PostPosted: Thu, 12. Jul 18, 00:11    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Tamina wrote:
@Chrisalddin
Thanks for the tip, much appreciated! Smile
Hmmm, this sounds risky then. Sad Especially because I am planning to buy online. Not even sure there are any stores selling single computer components.

Correction: I meant the B350 chipset but got confused a little with all those numbers. It is cheaper (80€/70£ vs 150€/131£) since there are no B450 chipsets, yet. And I was told X470 has only minor advantages to X370 for a higher price, so the same would probably go for B350->B450.

50£ are 50£. hmmm.
I am also going for cheaper other components, too, to reach an overall price of currently ~660£ and falling. So there is no "just" 50£ more.

Will think about it, thanks for the warning!


ok the B450 board are comming. and soon. i will be shocked if you can not buy then with in the next 6 weeks.
however if you think geting a X370 online with ready for ryzen 2000 is hard i think geting B350 with ryzen 2000 online is hader still.

you can try calling the online shop. try ebuyer or novatech. both look to be good for customer service. never needed it myself but give it a go.
you never know.

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PostPosted: Thu, 12. Jul 18, 00:38    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Chrisalddin wrote:
i doing a Ryzen 2600 build.
in a Asrock X470 Master SLI Motherboard,
with G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB DDR4-3000 Memory kit.
in a Fractal Design Define R6 Black with TG.

Power? Storage?
How cool/quiet is the AMD stock cooler?

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PostPosted: Thu, 12. Jul 18, 00:48    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

jlehtone wrote:
Chrisalddin wrote:
i doing a Ryzen 2600 build.
in a Asrock X470 Master SLI Motherboard,
with G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB DDR4-3000 Memory kit.
in a Fractal Design Define R6 Black with TG.

Power? Storage?
How cool/quiet is the AMD stock cooler?

power? as in PSU going to use the Evga 650 GQ i got the other week
only just placed the order for the SSD and it over kill to the extreem a 970 Evo 250gb.
as for the cooler. stock for now. but i have plans to Buy a AIO 240 soon.
also i have no idea as right now it not Built yet. the motherboard and Ram should get to me within the next 9 to 20 hours.
also the Define R6 has sound dampening. so i could never give you a real sound level of the system. also also. i have a Air Fan in my HOT no Air Flow Room. so witht that on almost all the time i tend not to hear the old PC Fans and tham are not Quite!

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Spaceman Sublime wrote:

So wait, Im running an Intel i7 7700k and a GTX 1070. I just built this computer and decided on the 7700k over the 8700k because of how much more expensive 8700k compatible parts are. But the 7700k is a 4 core 8 thread processor. According to this, was this a poor choice and I should have spent the extra ~$1,000 USD on the 6 core 12 thread 8700k?

Is your PC working? Then there is nothing to worry about. As to why is a 4/8 cpu is problematic it is because console games want 8 cores and mainstream 6/12 is close enough for anyone to do anything about it. When AAA games start to scale to 16 threads ( Assasin's Creed, FFXV) then yes it is not a good choice to get a 4/8 cpu.

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PostPosted: Sat, 14. Jul 18, 17:50    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Chrisalddin wrote:
ok the B450 board are comming. and soon.

You called it. They got officially announced, the question is only when and how much. Currently the B350 costs 35% less then on its release date, so it is still going to be still viable months after.


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PostPosted: Sat, 14. Jul 18, 18:37    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Tamina wrote:
I am planning to buy online. Not even sure there are any stores selling single computer components.


For Germany i can only recommend Mindfactory. They are reasonably priced, deliver fast and i didn't have any used or malfunctioning parts when i built my new pc from the ground up earlier this summer.


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Spaceman Sublime wrote:

So wait, Im running an Intel i7 7700k and a GTX 1070. I just built this computer and decided on the 7700k over the 8700k because of how much more expensive 8700k compatible parts are. But the 7700k is a 4 core 8 thread processor. According to this, was this a poor choice and I should have spent the extra ~$1,000 USD on the 6 core 12 thread 8700k?

Is your PC working? Then there is nothing to worry about. As to why is a 4/8 cpu is problematic it is because console games want 8 cores and mainstream 6/12 is close enough for anyone to do anything about it. When AAA games start to scale to 16 threads ( Assasin's Creed, FFXV) then yes it is not a good choice to get a 4/8 cpu.


The 7700k and 1070 are a really nice fit. You shouldn't worry about it.

But everyone bulding a new pc now should really consider targeting hexacore. Games are going to use more cores in the future simply because of console hardware. And the console market is the big cashcow for nearly all publishers.
Also even if many games today don't use 5+ threads much you then still have 2 spare ones to run your OC, virus scanner, and such.

As for brand choice. I'd say absolutely go Ryzen for workstations (graphics design, video editing, streaming machine). It's the workhorse that gives you most bang for the buck.
Intel has the higher clock speeds which is better suited for most games, especially older titles like X3 that don't even have multicore support. But it's way more expensive too so it's kind of the luxurious choice with bad value (moneywise).

That said the 8700k is an absolute beast. The enhanced turbo option unlocks 4,7GHz clock on all six cores and is an extremely easy and safe one-click way to overclock that should work for everyone, but you will of course need a big tower cooler. The main problem is that this cpu is basically forcing you to forego budget parts anywhere in your pc or it wouldn't make any sense.


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PostPosted: Sat, 14. Jul 18, 20:17    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Tamina wrote:
I am planning to buy online. Not even sure there are any stores selling single computer components.

There should be many stores that sell components, unless you are in esoteric country. Some online business started by doing that very thing.

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jlehtone wrote:
Tamina wrote:
I am planning to buy online. Not even sure there are any stores selling single computer components.

There should be many stores that sell components, unless you are in esoteric country. Some online business started by doing that very thing.


In the US, there are far fewer specialty stores than there used to be. And, when there are, there is generally less of a broad offering than there used to be, too.

There are a few major chains that carry computer components for hobbyists/do-it-yourselfers. "Best Buy" is one. "Fry's", I think, is another, but I've only seen those in larger cities.

The old "Mom & Pop" computer shops are becoming a thing of the past. (Small, independently-owned, computer shop) Most enthusiasts get their stuff online, these days, AFAIK. In larger cities, there are probably more of these stores, but there are probably more people buying online in the US than not.

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