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PostPosted: Sat, 13. Jan 18, 18:47    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Thanks for the advice.

1. She set up the camera and we will be working on a more professional setup. I also have a few more stage lights, I'll eventually have a decent record

2. I am in a difficult family position at the moment- I cannot necessarily stop her doing this, so i have opted to help her do it as safely as possible.


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PostPosted: Sat, 13. Jan 18, 19:44    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

philip_hughes wrote:
Thanks for the advice.

1. She set up the camera and we will be working on a more professional setup. I also have a few more stage lights, I'll eventually have a decent record

2. I am in a difficult family position at the moment- I cannot necessarily stop her doing this, so i have opted to help her do it as safely as possible.


I understand that, but both you and your daughter should be made fully aware of the risks, especially about inappropriate comments, as that is probably one of the most worrying aspects of using youtube at the moment, plus youtube not really doing much to correct the situation. I would talk to your daughter about this, so that is is aware of sexual predators and things what they might say. trust me when I say, this is a big issue, and you don't want your daughter to be caught up in this. close the channel before it starts to get out of hand.

forewarned is forearmed.


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PostPosted: Sat, 13. Jan 18, 21:15    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

philip_hughes wrote:
Thanks for the advice.

1. She set up the camera and we will be working on a more professional setup. I also have a few more stage lights, I'll eventually have a decent record

2. I am in a difficult family position at the moment- I cannot necessarily stop her doing this, so i have opted to help her do it as safely as possible.


Put some controls in place if they're available. I don't know if youtube has anything for parents. If they do, I'd be surprised.

You get it. People get concerned and overreact. It's probably just fine and will turn out well. But.... Damn this world is a dangerous place, ain't it?

I was just thinking about this earlier this week. Just the general risks for young people and the exposure to things they shouldn't be exposed to. There are "clubs/websites" for kids and there are, or used to be, programs for parents to block certain sites, restrict protocols, etc.

There should be a children's web. With plenty of stewards and monitors to watch for inappropriate things and, maybe, even to make sure the kids don't go overboard. Cyberbullying is a real thing and its devastating for young people who are desperately seeking to discover where they "belong" in their world. Unfortunately, the internet isn't the place that can be found, nor should it be.

Anywho, good luck! You have my sympathy and support, for what its worth. Any man trying to make his child's life better is worthy of both.

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PostPosted: Sat, 13. Jan 18, 21:39    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

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philip_hughes wrote:
Thanks for the advice.

1. She set up the camera and we will be working on a more professional setup. I also have a few more stage lights, I'll eventually have a decent record

2. I am in a difficult family position at the moment- I cannot necessarily stop her doing this, so i have opted to help her do it as safely as possible.


Put some controls in place if they're available. I don't know if youtube has anything for parents. If they do, I'd be surprised.

You get it. People get concerned and overreact. It's probably just fine and will turn out well. But.... Damn this world is a dangerous place, ain't it?

I was just thinking about this earlier this week. Just the general risks for young people and the exposure to things they shouldn't be exposed to. There are "clubs/websites" for kids and there are, or used to be, programs for parents to block certain sites, restrict protocols, etc.

There should be a children's web. With plenty of stewards and monitors to watch for inappropriate things and, maybe, even to make sure the kids don't go overboard. Cyberbullying is a real thing and its devastating for young people who are desperately seeking to discover where they "belong" in their world. Unfortunately, the internet isn't the place that can be found, nor should it be.

Anywho, good luck! You have my sympathy and support, for what its worth. Any man trying to make his child's life better is worthy of both.

Velvet glove, iron fist. Smile


not sure if there are any controls, the problem is, what I said is a huge issue, the report system just doesn't work. Even mods reported posts don't get any special treatment or fast tracking. On the BBC program I mentioned, they reported some posts and three plus weeks later, the posts were still there. Only when then BBC made google aware of that, then google removed the said posts. That and inappropriate videos that get linked, and other issues. Google has been really slow to act.

which then doesn't really help at all, not when your a child and unaware of the dangers. Part of the problem are the parents themselves for not having much of a clue what happening on the web. But I think google should have had something in place a long time ago, before it really started to get out of hand. I think they are doing a trial in Australia about inappropriate content, but not sure on the exact details.

Still, until google gets their head from the sand, then children need to be told and made aware of the dangers.

otherwise, they might be caught up into something far, far nasty.

sorry for derailing the topic, but like I said, this is a risk that needs to be told, before you realise too late what is happening.


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PostPosted: Sat, 13. Jan 18, 22:52    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

matthewfarmery wrote:
...sorry for derailing the topic, but like I said, this is a risk that needs to be told, before you realise too late what is happening.


It's not a derail, IMO. It's worthy of discussion. I know that, for myself, I couldn't have avoided a warning. If "something happened", no matter how trivial seeming, well, I couldn't have stopped kicking myself in the head for not saying something.

This is a general issue with commercial social media sites. They're not in the business of making "Safe, friendly, value-added, social communities."

They're there to make money. The controls inherent in their system do two things - Make money as easily as possible and comply with whatever legal standards they must in order to keep making money as easily as possible. I don't have an issue with this as long as users are aware of it.

Anyway, it's a jungle out there. Sure, plenty of kids have positive experiences on the internet and we generally only hear about the really bad stories. Still... My natural inclination is to be as protective as possible, but there are few controls in place, anywhere, to extend a parent's capabilities to the arena where they are most necessary.

Hmmm... I have an idea.

Youtube has channels. It also has special channels. It has the capability to divide its members and to segregate videos.

OK, fine, use that. They should have a channel accessible only by logged in members and that is designed for kids. No commercials allowed. Vids are closely screened and youtube chaperones have easy controls to report/remove/flag videos and comments. The vids can't be seen without logging in and known proxies and other anonymous means are blocked. Parental controls and reports are included as part of a master-account. Certain targeted vids and channels dealing with education, general children's television, etc, are allowed as long as they are commercial free. Commercial children's shows would have to pass review before being allowed to participate.

No monetization model at all. Yeah, youtube wouldn't like that, but the good press they'd get for taking proactive action would be more than worth it. If it became too cumbersome, they could charge a small fee for master-accounts that could have up to xx number of channels.

The point - At some point, it's possible for a business's model to reach beyond mere commercial interests. Hopefully, every business is aware of its responsibility to its customer, but certain levels of impact can be reached where this becomes not just an ethical issue, but a moral one. When it gets to that point, the business has to act, IMO.

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PostPosted: Sat, 13. Jan 18, 23:48    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Absolutely not a derail. And besides if this was a completely unrelated topic and someone had a good idea on keeping my kid safe i would run with it.


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PostPosted: Mon, 15. Jan 18, 06:43    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

philip_hughes wrote:
Absolutely not a derail. And besides if this was a completely unrelated topic and someone had a good idea on keeping my kid safe i would run with it.


Build a really big concrete bunker and put all sorts of cool conveniences in it. Spacious, roomy, lots of plants, good food... Then, lock her in there until she's 50.

Or, lock yourself in there, take your pick. Smile

A friend of mine has a daughter. She's starting her first year of college this year. I don't know how he stayed sane. Then again, maybe he didn't and is just hiding it really well?

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PostPosted: Mon, 15. Jan 18, 13:44    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Morkonan wrote:
philip_hughes wrote:
Absolutely not a derail. And besides if this was a completely unrelated topic and someone had a good idea on keeping my kid safe i would run with it.


Build a really big concrete bunker and put all sorts of cool conveniences in it. Spacious, roomy, lots of plants, good food... Then, lock her in there until she's 50.

Or, lock yourself in there, take your pick. Smile

A friend of mine has a daughter. She's starting her first year of college this year. I don't know how he stayed sane. Then again, maybe he didn't and is just hiding it really well?


They are awesome, but nowhere in the manual does it say you will not go cuckoo.


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PostPosted: Mon, 15. Jan 18, 14:48    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Morkonan wrote:
philip_hughes wrote:
Absolutely not a derail. And besides if this was a completely unrelated topic and someone had a good idea on keeping my kid safe i would run with it.


Build a really big concrete bunker and put all sorts of cool conveniences in it. Spacious, roomy, lots of plants, good food... Then, lock her in there until she's 50.

Or, lock yourself in there, take your pick. Smile

A friend of mine has a daughter. She's starting her first year of college this year. I don't know how he stayed sane. Then again, maybe he didn't and is just hiding it really well?


If your friend is sane, they're not doing it right. Wink


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PostPosted: Tue, 16. Jan 18, 15:58    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Haha! Her video got to 206 views! Not much by YouTube standards but she will think it's a lot- 4 times more than her most successful video.

Thanks guys!


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philip_hughes wrote:
Haha! Her video got to 206 views! Not much by YouTube standards but she will think it's a lot- 4 times more than her most successful video.

Thanks guys!


Want us to setup an automagic youtube viewer? Smile We could grab some cloudhosting stuff and make her an instant hit! Then again, youtube has a lot of wardens running out there, so I think she'd be crushed if they reduced her hitcount.

Anyways, congrats!

(PS: Up to you, but what's the forum etiquette on linking a youtube account in your sig? If not here, you could try in other places you frequent.)

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PostPosted: Thu, 18. Jan 18, 05:05    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Morkonan wrote:
philip_hughes wrote:
Haha! Her video got to 206 views! Not much by YouTube standards but she will think it's a lot- 4 times more than her most successful video.

Thanks guys!


Want us to setup an automagic youtube viewer? Smile We could grab some cloudhosting stuff and make her an instant hit! Then again, youtube has a lot of wardens running out there, so I think she'd be crushed if they reduced her hitcount.

Anyways, congrats!

(PS: Up to you, but what's the forum etiquette on linking a youtube account in your sig? If not here, you could try in other places you frequent.)


No idea. I think its a good idea for a community such as us to cross promote- but there would be plenty of grey areas.


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PostPosted: Thu, 18. Jan 18, 23:08    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

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(PS: Up to you, but what's the forum etiquette on linking a youtube account in your sig? If not here, you could try in other places you frequent.)


Check this recent thread for the forum policy:

https://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=398011


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PostPosted: Fri, 19. Jan 18, 03:07    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Nanook wrote:
Morkonan wrote:
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(PS: Up to you, but what's the forum etiquette on linking a youtube account in your sig? If not here, you could try in other places you frequent.)


Check this recent thread for the forum policy:

https://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=398011


Riight- so even this was circling the drain a little.

Noted


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philip_hughes wrote:
Riight- so even this was circling the drain a little.

Noted
Indeed. Smile


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