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Post by Antilogic » Thu, 4. Jan 18, 13:43

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Skism wrote: Just goes to show the damage that the SJW (Social Justice Warrior for the uninitiated) can do
Ah. Of course. It has a GIRL as the lead so.. I get it... I get it...
Oh I see so we have arrived at accusations of sexism.

dear Lord can't you at least be original? :roll:

Perspective ;)
Yeah it's one of your many endearing qualities.

Also she didn't tell the hothead idiot who just got a bunch of people killed the plan to not attack the enemy headon? Wow, what terrible judgement.

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Post by CBJ » Thu, 4. Jan 18, 13:59

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that we can manage to have a 250+ page thread about politics and it only needs a little light moderation, while a Star Wars thread degenerates into name-calling after a mere 5 pages, but it's still disappointing. Take a step back followed by a deep breath, and try again, everyone.

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Post by clakclak » Thu, 4. Jan 18, 22:49

I am a Star Wars fan, I know the movies read quite some of the (old and new) EU books, played a bunch of the games and so far I would say that this is probably my favourite Star Wars movie.

With that opinion I am probably a minority. It wasn't a perfect movie, it had it's flaws, but the good parts more than made up for them.

Mark Hamil really stole the show if you ask me. But there wasn't a single member in the cast who didn't pull his/her weight. I also really liked the performances by Benicio del Toro, who managed to be wonderfully slimy again and Kelly Marie Tran.

Over all great movie. Would certainly recommend it without a second thought.

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Post by RegisterMe » Thu, 4. Jan 18, 23:05

clakclak wrote:I also really liked the performances by Benicio del Toro, who managed to be wonderfully slimy again......
Yeah, I didn't think to much of the casino story arc, but I really enjoyed his character and portrayal :).
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Post by clakclak » Thu, 4. Jan 18, 23:10

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clakclak wrote:I also really liked the performances by Benicio del Toro, who managed to be wonderfully slimy again......
Yeah, I didn't think to much of the casino story arc, but I really enjoyed his character and portrayal :).
If you haven't you may want to watch Sicario, a really creepy film. He was great in it, really haunting performance.
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Post by Ketraar » Fri, 5. Jan 18, 00:48

clakclak wrote:If you haven't you may want to watch Sicario, a really creepy film. He was great in it, really haunting performance.
Indeed another great movie by my soon favourite director Denis Villeneuve. :-)

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Post by mrbadger » Sat, 13. Jan 18, 22:36

finally managed to watch it, managed to avoid any spoilers, although that was getting increasingly difficult, which is why I thought I thought I should fit it in this weekend.

Really enjoyed it. Made for a nice evenings movie going experience.
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Post by Morkonan » Mon, 15. Jan 18, 05:47

Haven't watched it. Haven't read this thread, except here and there, briefly, avoiding anything that could be a spoiler.

I don't have a burning need to see this movie. So, if I don't, it's no big deal. I have my own classic Star Wars universe in my head, so the story is complete as far as I'm concerned.

But, do I want to see this movie? Should I? Do I need to see it? Considering I love the first three, hate the second trilogy, disliked the last installment, didn't really care much for the "prequel" spinoff, is this a movie that continues the storyline of Luke worth watching?

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Post by Observe » Mon, 15. Jan 18, 06:09

I think the last Star Wars movie I saw, was Return of the Jedi. Is The Force Awakens (2015) worth watching? If so, I may see if it's on YouTube. Thanks.

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Post by pjknibbs » Mon, 15. Jan 18, 08:14

Observe wrote:I think the last Star Wars movie I saw, was Return of the Jedi. Is The Force Awakens (2015) worth watching? If so, I may see if it's on YouTube. Thanks.
I got it on DVD for Christmas. I thought it was OK, although the plot seemed to rely very heavily on extremely unlikely coincidences--I suppose they might turn out to be less coincidental with developments in later movies, though.

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Post by Ketraar » Mon, 15. Jan 18, 10:34

Observe wrote:I think the last Star Wars movie I saw, was Return of the Jedi. Is The Force Awakens (2015) worth watching? If so, I may see if it's on YouTube. Thanks.
Well worth is a rather subjective term to use related to watching entertainment. It only will be "worth it" if you also enjoy it, but that cant be predicted. Assuming you like movies in general and from those you like light-hearted stories about coming of age within a made up universe, then I'd say you will enjoy the 150min of this entertainment.

Its not 2001, Blade Runner or Arrival level of sci-fi though, not by a long shot (but Star Wars never really was if we are honest).

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Post by X2-Illuminatus » Mon, 15. Jan 18, 10:55

pjknibbs wrote:
Observe wrote:I think the last Star Wars movie I saw, was Return of the Jedi. Is The Force Awakens (2015) worth watching? If so, I may see if it's on YouTube. Thanks.
I got it on DVD for Christmas. I thought it was OK, although the plot seemed to rely very heavily on extremely unlikely coincidences--I suppose they might turn out to be less coincidental with developments in later movies, though.
I got the DVD for Christmas, too. But I didn't really like it for a number of reasons. Still what I liked about it was that it felt like a proper Star Wars movie, which initially I was a bit afraid of that it wouldn't when learning that J. J. Abrams is the director. I'm also quite happy with the main cast.
As Ketraar pointed out, if you like these kind of movies or are even interested in Star Wars altogether, I think it's worth watching.
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Post by mrbadger » Mon, 15. Jan 18, 12:44

Yes, there are flaws in this new movie, but if we're to be honest there are terrible flaws in return of the Jedi, and even Star Wars wasn't perfect. it was just an iconic movie.

The Empire Strikes back was a near perfect movie. Only 'near' perfect. Of the three it's the one I re-watch most.

I can forgive the Last Jedi many flaws for finally showing Yoda as he was in Empire again, and not as he has portrayed in the prequels, all leapy about and shit.
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Post by Skism » Tue, 16. Jan 18, 22:10

Ben Shapiro on The Last Jedi

In other news TLJ has failed miserably in China - it has suffered a 92% drop in screenings

Thats unprecedented.

Apparently where the power of the Star Wars Brand is less people watch it on its own merits-

And it fails on its own merits
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Post by mrbadger » Tue, 16. Jan 18, 22:36

how is that surprising?

It would be like expecting a late Harry Potter movie to succeed on its own without context.

If you don't know what's going on at least a little. almost nothing in the movie makes sense.
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Post by Ketraar » Tue, 16. Jan 18, 22:46

Who the heck is Ben Shapiro? Also did you check the other Star Wars movies and how they performed in China? I guess not.

In any case, I find it amusing you are trying to convince some one to change their mind to dislike the movie or you're reaching for approval for not liking it yourself, both are odd tbh, but its OK if you didnt like it. Btw there are other movies, if you want I can give you a few suggestions. :-)

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Post by clakclak » Tue, 16. Jan 18, 23:04

Skism wrote:Ben Shapiro on The Last Jedi

In other news TLJ has failed miserably in China - it has suffered a 92% drop in screenings

Thats unprecedented.

Apparently where the power of the Star Wars Brand is less people watch it on its own merits-

And it fails on its own merits
I really don't get how people get the idea that it is a failing movie. It played in 1.27 billion US dollar. According to boxofficemojos.


According to Forbes it was the commercially most successful movie of 2017.

Wikipedia has the production budget listed as $200 million. That means it played in more than $1billion in earnings.

How is that failing?

If I made a $20 investment and I would get $120 back, than I would be ****** happy.
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Post by Skism » Wed, 17. Jan 18, 03:25

Ketraar wrote:Who the heck is Ben Shapiro? Also did you check the other Star Wars movies and how they performed in China? I guess not.

In any case, I find it amusing you are trying to convince some one to change their mind to dislike the movie or you're reaching for approval for not liking it yourself, both are odd tbh, but its OK if you didnt like it. Btw there are other movies, if you want I can give you a few suggestions. :-)

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Why do I post about it?

Well ask yourself the same question why do you defend it?

As for why I post about it its because its a terrible ideologically biased movie that takes everything good about Star Wars and corrupts it.

Its also a bad movie that fails on its own merits and only sold because it has the power of the Star Wars Brand .

Oh and it has caused damage in more ways than I can easily type.

If you would like me to elaborate on that then I will ;)

clakclak wrote:
Skism wrote:Ben Shapiro on The Last Jedi

In other news TLJ has failed miserably in China - it has suffered a 92% drop in screenings

Thats unprecedented.

Apparently where the power of the Star Wars Brand is less people watch it on its own merits-

And it fails on its own merits
I really don't get how people get the idea that it is a failing movie. It played in 1.27 billion US dollar. According to boxofficemojos.


According to Forbes it was the commercially most successful movie of 2017.

Wikipedia has the production budget listed as $200 million. That means it played in more than $1billion in earnings.

How is that failing?

If I made a $20 investment and I would get $120 back, than I would be ****** happy.



and this from Forbes too

It suffered the biggest sequel to sequel drop ever.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/fran ... ab=summary

Lets look at the numbers shall we?

Domestic:

Star Wars the Force Awakens: $936,662,225

TLJ: $594,902,305

Thats a pretty sharp drop.

And World Wide:


TFA: $2,058,662,225
TLJ: $1,268,302,078

International:

TFA Rank 4

All Time International Box Office $1,122,000,000

TLJ: Rank 29

All Time International Box Office 29 $673,399,773

Thats also a very sharp drop

And one final thing:

https://www.morningstar.com/news/dow-jo ... -jedi.html
Before exhibitors can begin screening "Star Wars: The Last Jedi" this December, they must first commit to a set of top-secret terms that numerous theater owners say are the most onerous they've ever seen. Disney will receive about 65% of ticket-sales revenue from the film, a new benchmark for a Hollywood studio. Disney is also requiring theaters to show the movie in their largest auditorium for at least four weeks.
So basically the drop we see earlier is even with them making unfair terms to make up the numbers.
Ignoring the terms carries an unusual penalty. If a theater violates any condition of the distribution agreement, Disney can charge it an additional 5%, bringing the studio's total haul to 70% of sales on a movie likely to gross more than $500 million at the domestic box office.
The case of "The Last Jedi" highlights a perpetual but growing tension between the business partners who bring movies to the public: studios and theaters. Negotiations between the two parties have grown pitched as Disney has become one of the most powerful studios in Hollywood and theaters have lost leverage as box-office sales fall. Box-office revenue is down 5% so far this year.

That dynamic has exhibitors across the country resigning themselves to a new condition of doing business: If you want to play Disney's blockbuster movies, get used to Disney's rules.
"They're in the most powerful position any studio has ever been in, maybe since MGM in the 1930s," said one film buyer.
Is it time to start looking at anti Trust laws?
The four-week hold in a theater's largest auditorium, meanwhile, has frustrated distribution executives at rival studios that also have major releases hitting theaters around Christmastime. Soon after the "Last Jedi" opens on Dec. 15, movies such as Sony Pictures Entertainment Inc.'s " Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle" and Twentieth Century Fox's "The Greatest Showman" will begin jockeying for screen times. Twentieth Century Fox's owner, 21st Century Fox Inc., and Wall Street Journal parent News Corp share common ownership.
So what we are dealing with here is in part a monopoly and an abusive one.
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Post by Usenko » Wed, 17. Jan 18, 07:00

Eh, whatever.

It was a fun movie, and worth a second watch.
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Post by Golden_Gonads » Wed, 17. Jan 18, 09:15

Skism wrote:Apparently where the power of the Star Wars Brand is less people watch it on its own merits-

And it fails on its own merits
Would you go see the eighth film in a random foreign series without having seen the first seven? I wouldn't.


It's currently the tenth highest grossing film of all time and hasn't finished it's run yet. It'll probably hit ninth and almost certainly eighth before it's done.

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