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PostPosted: Thu, 23. Nov 17, 21:07    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Both of the books are examples of the technically illegal practice of using cover art intended for one book on other books, which was occasionally done by some imprints licenced to do some or all of the paperback runs of novels.

In both the examples I gave the Imprint (publisher) was Manor Books, and they got into a lot of trouble for the Philip K. Dick Book, which became quite famous, and was thus really quite hard to get a copy of, cost me a fair bit.

The other book was written by an author of only minor success Donald John Pfeil. No-one even mentions his work when talking about mis-use of this particular cover art, making me suspect only few were ever printed using it.

But What Cover Art is it?



Little surprised no-one got it really. Is that not obviously a Spice Harvester and a scout ship? I get that the Fremen wouldn't be recognized, Lynch didn't represent Stillsuits the way they were in the book, skintight coverings under traditional Arabic style clothing, and neither did the ScyFy Adaption.

Although I'm thinking that from the perspective of someone who is willing to spend hundreds to get my hands on obscure covers of books, so I'm possibly not a reliable witness....


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PostPosted: Fri, 24. Nov 17, 00:37    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

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Both of the books are examples of the technically illegal practice of using cover art intended for one book on other books


Er, why is that illegal, technically or otherwise? Surely, as long as the publisher has paid the proper royalties to the artist for the use of their work, they could put it on as many darned book covers as they choose?

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PostPosted: Fri, 24. Nov 17, 01:07    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Because the imprint publisher hadn't paid for it, they were given it by the people who had, the main publishers, who were getting them to do the paperback version.

Manor Books had to pay a fine I believe. Maybe illegal is the wrong word, perhaps more breach of contract? They didn't have the right to use the artwork for any other books.

They weren't the only Imprint who did it, or the only one who got into trouble, but it tended to result in contracts being lost, so it wasn't too common.


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PostPosted: Fri, 24. Nov 17, 09:43    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Ah, OK. Breach of contract makes a lot more sense than "illegal", certainly.

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PostPosted: Fri, 24. Nov 17, 17:50    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

mrbadger wrote:
Both of the books are examples of the technically illegal practice of using cover art intended for one book on other books, which was occasionally done by some imprints licenced to do some or all of the paperback runs of novels.


OOoooooooh, nice one!

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...Although I'm thinking that from the perspective of someone who is willing to spend hundreds to get my hands on obscure covers of books, so I'm possibly not a reliable witness....


I think it's darn cool! Smile So, no worries, you're a good witness. Often, hobbyists and enthusiasts know more about esoteric bits of a subject than the professionals!

I'm ashamed I didn't recognize the cover art, though I did think it looked familiar in some ways.

I honestly don't remember what edition I first read. I did buy one of the new hardback special editions for a friend of mine's son as a Christmas present, last year. (Last year was "Book Christmas" for my friends and their families - Everyone got cool books!)

"Commissioned" artwork for a book cover would, indeed, be "illegal" to use for other purposes without authorization from the owner. In fact, anyone who doesn't own the rights to the artwork can't use it at all for anything other than individual, personal, use. Images, photos and reproductions could also be restricted use/illegal, no matter their origin if they weren't authorized by the license holder. ie: Taking photos in the Louvre or in art or regular museums is prohibited for a reason.

I applaud your enthusiasm and don't see the cost as anything other than a reasonable cost for someone with such interests.

PS: "Illegal" and "Criminal" are slightly different, usually, terms with certain implications, namely "State/Government/Criminal" law vs "Civil/Contractual/Copyright/Trademark" law. In the end, either usually represents bad news for violators.

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PostPosted: Sun, 26. Nov 17, 00:07    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I'm not sure what to make of the Folio Society. Aside from a first addition of Hitch-Hikers, I don't own any Hardbacks, and that isn't the Folio one.

But I recently learned that the Folio Society have a release of Dune that is evidently pretty good, lots of nice illustrations, a natty cover (not to my tastes, but at least the cover isn’t a picture from the Lynch movie), and a price tag of £75, which isn't bad.

I've paid far more than that for beaten up old paperbacks.

But if I start down the Folio route I feel I'd be starting over, and they don't seem to have many obscure SF books in their catalogue. Mostly just the *big* names. Bit dull. Some of them I don't even like, and the ones I do I already have, obviously.

Plus I rather like my ratty old books that were, for the most part never meant to last more than a few years post printing 40-50+ years ago.

My local bookshop owner has been a close friend for the last 15 ish years, and we have the same argument every time.

This being one where she hates ordering books for me that to her refined librarianesque eyes look like garbage, but to my ’specialist collector’ eyes, represent a dwindling number of books from a given era of SF publishing, be it the writing, the cover art, the Imprint that handled the paperback release or some other weird reason that justifies my spending a usually insanely high shipping price.

Or she might be right, and I’m just a crazy person Smile

Thing is once these books are gone, they’re gone. There’s no nipping down to Waterstones and picking up new copies.


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PostPosted: Thu, 7. Dec 17, 21:23    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

The dreaded second post, sorry, but I had a new thing about books, and n-one else had, so I needed to.

In Heinlein's childrens book 'Farmer in the Sky' there is what seems to me a pretty good description of how one might turn dead regolith on Ganymede (written long before we had any decent information on the real structure of Ganymede) into usable live soil. I was wondering how realistic it is, because it seems somewhat similar to the method employed in the recent movie 'The Martian'. Possibly in the book it was adapted from too, I just got that. Similar that is, except for the material used to introduce the 'live' elements. But I'm working my way through the Dune series again, so I'll be a while yet.

philip_hughes is probably the one to answer this, but only if he'd actually read the book.


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PostPosted: Fri, 8. Dec 17, 02:24    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I can't remember the method, read it long ago. But, I would assume that most of the desirable properties there would be physical, with a few bits thrown in depending upon composition of the material.

After all, hydroponics/aeroponics might be more efficient, but may also take a bit more to scale up properly.

PH is definitely the guy to answer that. Oh, "PH!"

Whatever... I lol'd. Smile

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PostPosted: Mon, 1. Jan 18, 06:24    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Anything by Neal Asher imo is worth a look if you are into space opera with a fairly hard edge. I love his War Drones in particular, but a big fan of his Spatterjay stuff too, it is just such an interesting ecology easily equal to Dune only in this instance marine rather than desert. Old Captains instead of Fremen.


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PostPosted: Mon, 1. Jan 18, 15:26    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

I'll give him a try, book one of the Owner Trilogy looks interesting. And it was only £1.99 on Audible too, since I'm a member already.


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PostPosted: Mon, 1. Jan 18, 20:45    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Paranoid66 wrote:
Anything by Neal Asher imo is worth a look if you are into space opera with a fairly hard edge. I love his War Drones in particular, but a big fan of his Spatterjay stuff too, it is just such an interesting ecology easily equal to Dune only in this instance marine rather than desert. Old Captains instead of Fremen.


I'm a fan of his "Transformation" series, starting with "Dark Intelligence." To me, it's a refreshing bit of good science-fiction. The setting is rich enough and the mysteries big enough to keep the reader reading through all three books and perhaps more, if we get lucky. I'll also add the title of the first book is perfect.

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PostPosted: Mon, 1. Jan 18, 23:24    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Further to my previous comment, I was wrong, book one of the Owner Trilogy is £1.99 on Audible because it's a daily deal, and that deal probably ends later today, so it's a good thing you suggested it when you did.


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