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PostPosted: Wed, 13. Dec 17, 02:20    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Chips wrote:
... Or are you making assumptions founded on... what you think is reasonable assumptions?...


I believe it is a reasonable assumption. Note that I frequently mention "generations." That's admittedly a long time, but I also believe this is likely to be felt in as short a time as "decades."

For you, that won't mean very much in terms of personally experienced changes, though you may be around long enough to witness it happening, should this sort of isolationist practice continue, which I feel it will. (I think there will be a feedback mechanism in place that continues, unless fought against, to push the divide even further.)

Generations. Decades. I don't mean "next week." Smile

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PostPosted: Wed, 13. Dec 17, 10:49    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Chips wrote:
As for languages, it is basically most EU countries speak English to a high level (exceptions are France, which nearly all I have met do speak but refuse to, and Italy, where they really don't! Very Happy ).

I should just correct one point here. Many French people will be willing, if they are able, to speak English to someone visiting their country if the visitor makes a decent effort to try and speak French first. It's hardly an unreasonable attitude; indeed it's arguably far more arrogant to just assume you can go to someone else's country and expect them to speak to you in your own language, as English-speakers tend to.

Another point to make is that it's not just about English. In some European countries, speaking 3 or more languages to at least a functional level is quite normal and not speaking a foreign language would be considered a bit of a failing, whereas in the UK even admitting to having tourist-level ability in another language can result in raised eyebrows. The expectation regarding other languages is simply different.

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PostPosted: Wed, 13. Dec 17, 22:45    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

The Tory car-crash continues it seems: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42346192

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PostPosted: Thu, 14. Dec 17, 19:55    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

gosh, some of these Brexit people are absolutely crazy:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/14/dominic-grieve-says-he-has-had-death-threats-after-brexit-rebellion


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PostPosted: Thu, 14. Dec 17, 23:17    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

BugMeister wrote:
gosh, some of these Brexit people are absolutely crazy:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/14/dominic-grieve-says-he-has-had-death-threats-after-brexit-rebellion


It exists on both sides

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/686146/Strain-family-life-death-threats-Nigel-Farage-Ukip-leader-resignation

So it's fair to say some people are just crazy, or fanatics.


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PostPosted: Fri, 15. Dec 17, 00:12    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Sue Perkins got death threats on Twitter when it was rumoured--just rumoured, mind, there was no official confirmation--that she was being lined up to present Top Gear after Jeremy Clarkson was sacked. People will wish death on other people for the most trivial of reasons.

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PostPosted: Fri, 15. Dec 17, 01:01    Post subject: Reply with quote Print

Wouldn't surprise me if Nigel is retiring in a nice dacha at the Black Sea Razz

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