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Very convincingmrbadger wrote:while they do render, do it in a different way (sort of, it's complicated).
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I know very little about rendering, but the guy in the office next to me does lots, which makes me practically an expert...Tamina wrote:Very convincingmrbadger wrote:while they do render, do it in a different way (sort of, it's complicated).
I was just saying if Lino gets a Ryzen processor for rendering he could do some benchmarks as well, maybe
We are here because of the X series, so it is a valid question to ask how another processor runs with their products.
)That's true, as long as it can rival GPU rendering. Unfortunately, it's a bit easier to push GPU rendering than it is to get additional CPUs.linolafett wrote:As a guy who does heavy rendering all the time, some good competition in the market is very much apprectiated. More cores and more threads are a delights when rendering on the cpu.
Well, no. A Ryzen processor still runs the same x64 instruction set that all other Intel and AMD PC processors do, so there shouldn't need to be any modifications made for this specific CPU. Optimising a game for 8-core CPUs would help Ryzen, but it would also help the high-end Intel chips as well.Tamina wrote: And does that mean that Egosoft now has to optimize it's future games for those new processors? = more work.
People who write compiler optimisers, on the other hand, do have some work to do whenever a new microarchitecture comes out.pjknibbs wrote:Well, no. A Ryzen processor still runs the same x64 instruction set that all other Intel and AMD PC processors do, so there shouldn't need to be any modifications made for this specific CPU. Optimising a game for 8-core CPUs would help Ryzen, but it would also help the high-end Intel chips as well.
Oh, certainly, but they have to pick optimisations that will work well on all platforms. Back when the Pentium first came out, which required instructions to be re-ordered in a very specific way to get best performance, it was an easy decision to support that in a compiler because doing so did not adversely affect the 386 and 486 processors the code might otherwise run on. Nowadays, it's all a bit more complicated.red assassin wrote: People who write compiler optimisers, on the other hand, do have some work to do whenever a new microarchitecture comes out.
A truer picture will emerge with time.A newly discovered bug in Windows 10’s scheduler has been found to be negatively affecting performance of AMD Ryzen CPUs. The bug has been confirmed to affect all Windows 10 versions but not Windows 7. It’s not clear yet if Windows 8.1 is affected.
Okay, that is strange because AMD said that game developers have to optimise their games for the new Ryzen architecture.pjknibbs wrote:Well, no. A Ryzen processor still runs the same x64 instruction set that all other Intel and AMD PC processors do, so there shouldn't need to be any modifications made for this specific CPU. Optimising a game for 8-core CPUs would help Ryzen, but it would also help the high-end Intel chips as well.Tamina wrote: And does that mean that Egosoft now has to optimize it's future games for those new processors? = more work.
Maybe it is just me, maybe it is because we are in a gaming forum but isn't the "non-gaming" part the most important one?BigBANGtheory wrote:Ryzen excels at multi-core workloads and applications able to scale, applications which do not scale well (most current games tbh) won't see the benefits.
" as if this would completly negate the way lower price and performance in non-gaming stuff. 
It seems so but we can just look up Linux benchmarks instead, right?Terre wrote:AMD Ryzen Performance Negatively Affected by Windows 10 Scheduler BugA truer picture will emerge with time.A newly discovered bug in Windows 10’s scheduler has been found to be negatively affecting performance of AMD Ryzen CPUs. The bug has been confirmed to affect all Windows 10 versions but not Windows 7. It’s not clear yet if Windows 8.1 is affected.
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It depends how you measure it I think. In the bigger context of market share and revenue Intel will be very precious about the server workloads and virtualisation performance as that holds a great GP (price premium) over the retail market.Tamina wrote:Maybe it is just me, maybe it is because we are in a gaming forum but isn't the "non-gaming" part the most important one?BigBANGtheory wrote:Ryzen excels at multi-core workloads and applications able to scale, applications which do not scale well (most current games tbh) won't see the benefits.
A lot of neutral PC magazines were totally disappointed "it is not that great for gaming, though
gcc at least has the option to optimise for a particular microarchitecture, with or without retaining compatibility with other processors. That's a bit of a specialist option though; as you say most binaries will just need to run well on a variety of processors.pjknibbs wrote:Oh, certainly, but they have to pick optimisations that will work well on all platforms. Back when the Pentium first came out, which required instructions to be re-ordered in a very specific way to get best performance, it was an easy decision to support that in a compiler because doing so did not adversely affect the 386 and 486 processors the code might otherwise run on. Nowadays, it's all a bit more complicated.
Looks like AMD debunked that theory in the latest community updateTerre wrote:AMD Ryzen Performance Negatively Affected by Windows 10 Scheduler BugA truer picture will emerge with time.A newly discovered bug in Windows 10’s scheduler has been found to be negatively affecting performance of AMD Ryzen CPUs. The bug has been confirmed to affect all Windows 10 versions but not Windows 7. It’s not clear yet if Windows 8.1 is affected.
At the moment it looks like there are problems when switching threads between core clusters.foxxbl wrote:Looks like AMD debunked that theory in the latest community update
It seems everything is OK with Ryzen thread scheduling on the Windows10.
AMD's Robert Hallock
By the first week of April, AMD intends to provide an update for AMD Ryzen™ processors that optimizes the power policy parameters of the Balanced plan to favor performance more consistent with the typical usage models of a desktop PC.
What decisions? Is it 20° higher or lower? And which fault is it? AMD or the software programmers?Terre wrote:The high temperatures which are being recorded, appear to due to a deliberate 20°C offset, just plain daft in my opinion, AMD are not helping their cause with such decisions.
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The offset is higher, AMD say it's to do with the fan profiles and how they are reported, then interpreted by the testing software.Tamina wrote:What decisions? Is it 20° higher or lower? And which fault is it? AMD or the software programmers?Terre wrote:The high temperatures which are being recorded, appear to due to a deliberate 20°C offset, just plain daft in my opinion, AMD are not helping their cause with such decisions.
I suspected this would be the case, AMD cutting corners. Then the new processors won't be any better then the 8 core versions. well, looks like I won't be touching AMD for the foreseeable future then.Tamina wrote:The next Ryzen processors with 6 and 4 cores and SMT are now officially revealed by AMD to be released 11. April, already!
Originally it was said to be released Q2 but who would have thought?
Unfortunatly, all four processors are just deactivated 8 core units and therefore those configurations were already benchmarked by PC magazines as such and gaming performance is still below expecations.
Prices range from 170 to 250 $.
Personally I find all of this confusing af. How are intels processors priced for the same performance and how are intels processors performing for the same price?
When reading those tech magazines they already expect you to know every intel i-series processor in existence.
What decisions? Is it 20° higher or lower? And which fault is it? AMD or the software programmers?Terre wrote:The high temperatures which are being recorded, appear to due to a deliberate 20°C offset, just plain daft in my opinion, AMD are not helping their cause with such decisions.
I don't think anyone really expected them to be, although there was some hope. However, they might still have Intel beat on price/performance; the cheapest Intel CPU which is a quad core with hyperthreading is the i7-7700, I think, which is around $300, twice the price of the equivalent Ryzen.matthewfarmery wrote:Then the new processors won't be any better then the 8 core versions.
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I doubt HT is worth it for games though. The cheaper 7600k is probably going to be the real competition.pjknibbs wrote: However, they might still have Intel beat on price/performance; the cheapest Intel CPU which is a quad core with hyperthreading is the i7-7700, I think, which is around $300, twice the price of the equivalent Ryzen.
