Although I agree that factions could get some work, I don't see how it is on-topic for exploration or making space less empty and Rebirth to make it feel less empty/roboticA5PECT wrote:I agree the XR universe needs more life, but I'd prefer to approach it from the angle of factions. Things like more dynamic reputation, i.e. gaining reputation with one faction decreases reputation with its opposing faction(s). That way, while you might be able to be on neutral/friendly terms with everyone, you can't get into the highest level of a particular faction's good graces without making at least one enemy in the process.
I'd like faction reputation to generate more active consequences for the player, as opposed to the largely passive consequences currently in practice. Right now, reaching low reputation with a faction means they limit or prevent trading, and attack the player when entering their space. Reaching high reputation simply grants economic bonuses such as discounts and access to licenses. Those things are all good, but they're only the most fundamental reactions for a reputation system, imho.
When you hit the extreme ends of a faction's reputation bar, there should be more tangible, focused events to go along with it. Getting on very good terms with a faction will lead them to offer special missions and services, unique to that faction, that the player can't get anywhere else. Going far into negative standing with a faction should prompt various acts of aggression towards the player and their property, military or economic. It does lean towards the concept of random encounters, but they can be attributed to specific causes. So they aren't purely random encounters, just conditional ones with just a bit of randomness thrown in for variety.
Dynamically-owned territories would be great, as well. ES doesn't necessarily have to jump straight into "any faction can potentially take over the entire universe, including the player," as is popular in third-party modifications. A few specific areas of neutral space that can change hands, placed between statically-owned territory would be a good start.
P.S. This topic seems to be growing increasingly unfit for this subforum...
{Agreed - Moved to Rebirth forum, Xenon_Slayer}
Egosoft creative director?
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I am afraid I have to disagree with some comments regarding the input of creative ideas from the forum members, most support their own favoured direction...
I would prefer Ego develop their own concepts but give the mod makers the tools and access to remove, change or add individual tweeks.
All I ask is that those concepts introduced by Ego work ... We are nearly 2 years after the launch of XRebirth and we still cannot build an effective TRADE Empire or a Combat/Defensive Fleet without frustrating micro management and then I would not call it in any way effective, efficient or enjoyable.
Remember .... TRADE, FIGHT, BUILD, THINK.
Still some great moments to be had in the game .... Seeing a Titurel come boosting in with all guns blazing to protect another ship under the process of being boarded is still a sight/experience to revel in... So not all bad
Cannot get that from any other Solo Space Sim.
I would prefer Ego develop their own concepts but give the mod makers the tools and access to remove, change or add individual tweeks.
All I ask is that those concepts introduced by Ego work ... We are nearly 2 years after the launch of XRebirth and we still cannot build an effective TRADE Empire or a Combat/Defensive Fleet without frustrating micro management and then I would not call it in any way effective, efficient or enjoyable.
Remember .... TRADE, FIGHT, BUILD, THINK.
Still some great moments to be had in the game .... Seeing a Titurel come boosting in with all guns blazing to protect another ship under the process of being boarded is still a sight/experience to revel in... So not all bad
Cannot get that from any other Solo Space Sim.
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Re: Egosoft creative director?
Before XR was released Bernd said he (the team) would look at player feedback as a source for potential enhancements he was basically trying to say not everything is possible on day1. Obviously new features have been added post release any player would acknowledge that...Xenon_Slayer wrote:There are several people involved in several 'creative' aspects of the game. Bernd is of course on top when it comes to creative direction.
Two big and recurring topics persist from the feedback to my mind others may disagree:
1. More flyable ships, which clearly comes from a comparison with X Trilogy or <other space sims> and essentially acknowledged by CBJ to being worked on for the next product.
2. Fleet command, tactical UI, "strategic and tectical gameplay through asset management" essentially as the player progresses and builds. Not really a single word on this for many product cycles, though some incremental and progressive changes are visible in XR.
From a creative PoV has Bernd/Egosoft come to a desision on point 2 because it really comes across as though it is being ignored time and again?
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@BBT: While I generally agree with the two persisting topics, I do not get the same impression wrt point 2. IMO they are not ignoring us, they are just not rushing out a 100% coverage fix/solution for the concern(s) in play. There has been at least one update that addresses parts of the overall problem (addition of direct commands, loosening of restrictions for squad hierarchies, and other stuff).
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Re: Egosoft creative director?
+1Ketraar wrote:The notion that modders are unpaid game devs is just ridiculous, modding is a hobby people do for THEIR enjoyment with the bonus side effect that you get additional content or tweeks in gameplay to your games.Ketraar
Modders... World-editors... Creative directors? ihihi...
the problem seems more time/money oriented than due to lacks of ideas imo.ezra-r wrote:Rather than talking about mods, I'd rather have people here add creative ideas regarding exploration and tell how Egosoft how to improve the game to make the space LESS EMPTY.
They need it since they don't have anyone fixed only for that role, or maybe I misinterpret but it seems to me for Xenon_Slayer reply implies that they are still not focused enough in it.
I don't know how many you're involve in informatics but since you can't take his place or at least have see what this kind of job could mandate(mandate? he probably can't afford to loose), I found you harsh... You already told me what's good with XR.pref wrote:This 'of course' sounds scary. Hope he gets some intense help after XR.Xenon_Slayer wrote:Bernd is of course on top when it comes to creative direction.
I'm not involve in modding, but isn't that already the case?birdtable wrote:(...)I would prefer Ego develop their own concepts but give the mod makers the tools and access to remove, change or add individual tweeks. (...)
Or you're talking about the core engine?
Maybe Modders "range" still rough atm...
They are on No1 but this No2 is a big piece too...BigBANGtheory wrote: 2. Fleet command, tactical UI, "strategic and tectical gameplay through asset management" essentially as the player progresses and builds. Not really a single word on this for many product cycles, though some incremental and progressive changes are visible in XR.
If I remember well, they communicate less about UI than the rest till it pops one day.
Maybe its difficult to talk about since its more core related and effects are various (menus, commands, even gameplay). Not to say that we won't understand a word
I put the little example of pathfinding:
Since you don't know about turn-based 2D path programming on a grid, you can't even imagine what it shall mean on a real time 3D environment...
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I think I acknowledged this point, it is after all a progressive and incremental change nothing more nothing less.Roger L.S. Griffiths wrote:@BBT: While I generally agree with the two persisting topics, I do not get the same impression wrt point 2. IMO they are not ignoring us, they are just not rushing out a 100% coverage fix/solution for the concern(s) in play. There has been at least one update that addresses parts of the overall problem (addition of direct commands, loosening of restrictions for squad hierarchies, and other stuff).
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I obviously can't say exactly what's in the works right now; just that we are working beyond the confines of the XR 3.60 patch.
We are not short on ideas, certainly not. I remember when I visited the Egosoft offices way back when (2007 I guess), I helped present many things from the Ideas Forum during development of X3TC. The ideas in that forum (still currently locked) while based on X3, can still apply for XR. And we are very aware of feedback voiced in the main forums.
Much of my time with XR was taken up by the main plot line. The whole process was limited by features in the game which did not work optimally at the time I was working with them. In the end, it helped drive some features forward and iron out issues, but there was time I wanted to spend with the Generic Missions or other forms of content which either had to wait for patches, or not happen at all.
There is stuff to look forward to, some stuff which will bleed into XR patches, others not.
We are not short on ideas, certainly not. I remember when I visited the Egosoft offices way back when (2007 I guess), I helped present many things from the Ideas Forum during development of X3TC. The ideas in that forum (still currently locked) while based on X3, can still apply for XR. And we are very aware of feedback voiced in the main forums.
Much of my time with XR was taken up by the main plot line. The whole process was limited by features in the game which did not work optimally at the time I was working with them. In the end, it helped drive some features forward and iron out issues, but there was time I wanted to spend with the Generic Missions or other forms of content which either had to wait for patches, or not happen at all.
There is stuff to look forward to, some stuff which will bleed into XR patches, others not.
what can I say.. I can't wait to see what you guys are working on.Xenon_Slayer wrote:I obviously can't say exactly what's in the works right now; just that we are working beyond the confines of the XR 3.60 patch.
We are not short on ideas, certainly not. I remember when I visited the Egosoft offices way back when (2007 I guess), I helped present many things from the Ideas Forum during development of X3TC. The ideas in that forum (still currently locked) while based on X3, can still apply for XR. And we are very aware of feedback voiced in the main forums.
Much of my time with XR was taken up by the main plot line. The whole process was limited by features in the game which did not work optimally at the time I was working with them. In the end, it helped drive some features forward and iron out issues, but there was time I wanted to spend with the Generic Missions or other forms of content which either had to wait for patches, or not happen at all.
There is stuff to look forward to, some stuff which will bleed into XR patches, others not.
Hope Egosoft does not dissapoint. Cheers!
PS: And please, do not forget to encourage exploration!
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Well for now we're back to wait and see mode.
I don't think that they can be unaware of what people are asking for at this point. More my worry is how they interpret those requests.
I'm really hoping to see some great things from the next game. I hope it can deliver on the areas the community found lacking.
I still think that surveys are a great way to get data on the players' thoughts. And I'd like to see some formal surveys from Egosoft that they can use to get a sense of where things need to go.
I'm just gonna keep my fingers crossed for the sequel.
I don't think that they can be unaware of what people are asking for at this point. More my worry is how they interpret those requests.
I'm really hoping to see some great things from the next game. I hope it can deliver on the areas the community found lacking.
I still think that surveys are a great way to get data on the players' thoughts. And I'd like to see some formal surveys from Egosoft that they can use to get a sense of where things need to go.
I'm just gonna keep my fingers crossed for the sequel.
If you want a different perspective, stand on your head.
As far as additional creative aspects go, I would love to see some new NPCs.
It's kind of annoying that as far as Argons and Terrans go, we only have White-Europeans to hire... Would really bring the universe alive if we had more diversity in the NPC population, IMO: the more, the better.
Also, please may I humbly suggest: never use the word "wares" again... lol. I'm certain we could find and invent multiple synonyms.
That is the great thing about creating sci-fi universes: you can recreate anything! A simple adjustment to the text files, and use vocal gibberish that instead of actual voice-acting would be a cheap trade off. For ex: the Zerg in StarCraft cannot speak, yet when you click on them, the tone and pace of the audio delivery imparts a certain level of understanding. Heck, any human can understand the "wimper of a dog" and other basic animal sounds.
It's kind of annoying that as far as Argons and Terrans go, we only have White-Europeans to hire... Would really bring the universe alive if we had more diversity in the NPC population, IMO: the more, the better.
Also, please may I humbly suggest: never use the word "wares" again... lol. I'm certain we could find and invent multiple synonyms.
That is the great thing about creating sci-fi universes: you can recreate anything! A simple adjustment to the text files, and use vocal gibberish that instead of actual voice-acting would be a cheap trade off. For ex: the Zerg in StarCraft cannot speak, yet when you click on them, the tone and pace of the audio delivery imparts a certain level of understanding. Heck, any human can understand the "wimper of a dog" and other basic animal sounds.
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You guys need to hire some Bioware Mass Effect people for the NPC interactions/dialog/animations/everything. X rebirth's space sim married with Mass Effect's NPCs on stations/planets/in the back of the skunk would be pretty amazing.
It seems to me that Egosoft is stuck in a rut. You're keeping the same small team working on the same things over and over. If it were my company, I'd take a gamble and burn my "20 years of financial security" in 10 to hire more professionals and make one of the best space sims ever seen. It would pay off handsomely if done right.
It seems to me that Egosoft is stuck in a rut. You're keeping the same small team working on the same things over and over. If it were my company, I'd take a gamble and burn my "20 years of financial security" in 10 to hire more professionals and make one of the best space sims ever seen. It would pay off handsomely if done right.
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and the price would sky rocket to 100$. so no.jkflipflop98 wrote:You guys need to hire some Bioware Mass Effect people for the NPC interactions/dialog/animations/everything. X rebirth's space sim married with Mass Effect's NPCs on stations/planets/in the back of the skunk would be pretty amazing.
It seems to me that Egosoft is stuck in a rut. You're keeping the same small team working on the same things over and over. If it were my company, I'd take a gamble and burn my "20 years of financial security" in 10 to hire more professionals and make one of the best space sims ever seen. It would pay off handsomely if done right.
egosoft please be independent like u always do.
Before the XR release I hoped that the Skunk would be a mini-Normandy from ME2 where you had to collect your crew and upgrades for your ship.
Unfortunately I end up with bicycle when I hoped for Sport car
Not to mention that instead of sexy alien chicks crew we end up with bunch of space-grannies and co-pilot more irritating than Betty.
Unfortunately I end up with bicycle when I hoped for Sport car
Not to mention that instead of sexy alien chicks crew we end up with bunch of space-grannies and co-pilot more irritating than Betty.
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mr.WHO wrote:Before the XR release I hoped that the Skunk would be a mini-Normandy from ME2 where you had to collect your crew and upgrades for your ship.
Unfortunately I end up with bicycle when I hoped for Sport car
Not to mention that instead of sexy alien chicks crew we end up with bunch of space-grannies and co-pilot more irritating than Betty.
That's what I'm saying. Imagine Mass Effect 1, right? You have all those cool interactions and fights and stuff. Then when you want to go to another planet or something, you just click a point on the Galaxy Map, a loading screen plays, then you're there.
Now what I'm thinking of is that game, except in place of the loading screen insta-travel stuff - that's where the X kicks in and you can fly to the next destination if you want, or you can go do other stuff like assault a batarian outpost or outfit a capship with some drones or build a station or whatever. You would pilot the Normandy up to the Mass Relay and jump to wherever you wish. You could throw in some "Quick, Commander! We need to get to the Migrant Fleet NOW!" missions where you have to race across the galaxy relay to relay to relay as fast as you can. Imagine being at the battle of the Citadel and actually taking on Sovereign in real-time with your fleet under your actual command.
Or imagine the feeling in Mass Effect 2 when you actually trigger the Collector's relay and touch off the suicide mission and you're piloting the SR2 through unknown and hostile alien space and taking on that bigass rock hive ship thing.
Or Mass Effect 3 could have been about ACTUALLY building a HUGE fleet to try to take on the reapers. Building the "superweapon" could have been the new hub. The game starts and you have a 40 hour timer. You have to build up as much defense against the Reapers as you can AND complete the crucible before the 40 hour mark ticks over. Strategically build stations to augment the supply chains of all the different races, making profitssss and bolstering their lines to help pump out ships and supplies for the crucible.
Would be pretty amazing.
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