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TonyEvans
Joined: 15 Jan 2012
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 Posted: Sat, 7. Jul 12, 04:18 Post subject: Resupply Ammunition Set-All (Wings) |
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Okay, I looked far and wide, but I couldn't find anything. It either means there's nothing, or I'm a moron when it comes to searching this forum
Is there a script to set ammunition resupply to an entire wing? I'm not talking about missiles. Like Matter/antimatter warheads, mass driver ammunition, EBCG ammunition. It's a pain to go through and set all my ships one-by-one.
Thanks
Also, while I'm here asking. Is there a HQ plot for Albion Prelude? It'd be nice to have that... 
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rbettele
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| Posted: Sat, 7. Jul 12, 09:37 Post subject: |
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Re the HQ Plot:..
Yes. Same triggers as normal.
AP Plot has to be completed ?
Have to have a certain Boron rank and Atreus HQ has to be discovered by you.
Then you get invited to participate.
Re Ammo:
Install XRM and there is no more ammo ! 
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TonyEvans
Joined: 15 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Sat, 7. Jul 12, 17:30 Post subject: |
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| rbettele wrote: |
Re the HQ Plot:..
Yes. Same triggers as normal.
AP Plot has to be completed ?
Have to have a certain Boron rank and Atreus HQ has to be discovered by you.
Then you get invited to participate.
Re Ammo:
Install XRM and there is no more ammo ! |
Haha... thanks 
There's also a mod in development for Battlestar Galactica. The Vipers use Viper KEW Ammo, and I'd like to have a script for that so I can set them all to restock on that ammo as well...
and thanks for info on HQ Plot
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DrBullwinkle
Joined: 17 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Sat, 7. Jul 12, 20:23 Post subject: |
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Eliminating ammunition is not a bad idea. There are multiple problems with ammunition, and setting the reload amounts is not the worst of them. A more important problem is that ammunition-based weapons do not seem to work reliably OOS. Gazz says that they run out of ammunition, and Litcube says it's a bug. My experience is that ammunition-equipped ships sometimes DO NOT FIRE AT ALL when OOS... even if they have lots of ammunition.
It takes about five minutes to solve the problems forever, and you don't need to install a mod.
1) Use X3 Editor 2 to Open from VFS: types\TBullets. Choose the T File Editor.
2) Look at each bullet type (there are about 45). For each bullet type, make sure that the "[ ] Use ammo" checkbox is un-checked (empty).
3) File / Save As... , then click the "Switch to system dialog" button. Save the file as addon\types\TBullets.txt.
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TonyEvans
Joined: 15 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Sat, 7. Jul 12, 20:26 Post subject: |
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| DrBullwinkle wrote: |
Eliminating ammunition is not a bad idea. There are multiple problems with ammunition, and setting the reload amounts is not the worst of them. A more important problem is that ammunition-based weapons do not seem to work reliably OOS. Gazz says that they run out of ammunition, and Litcube says it's a bug. My experience is that ammunition-equipped ships sometimes DO NOT FIRE AT ALL when OOS... even if they have lots of ammunition.
It takes about five minutes to solve the problems forever, and you don't need to install a mod.
1) Use X3 Editor 2 to Open from VFS: types\TBullets. Choose the T File Editor.
2) Look at each bullet type (there are about 45). For each bullet type, make sure that the "[ ] Use ammo" checkbox is un-checked (empty).
3) File / Save As... , then click the "Switch to system dialog" button. Save the file as addon\types\TBullets.txt. |
Haha, that actually is starting to sound like a wonderful idea, considering what I've been doing for the past 20 minutes
So yea... thanks guys!
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Litcube
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| Posted: Sat, 7. Jul 12, 20:46 Post subject: |
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| DrBullwinkle wrote: |
| A more important problem is that ammunition-based weapons do not seem to work reliably OOS. Gazz says that they run out of ammunition, and Litcube says it's a bug. |
The larger problem I've identified in a long dead thread around these parts is that ammo based firing code sends ships into a 0 m/s bug if there's enough ammo based weapons firing in the current active sector.
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DrBullwinkle
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| Posted: Sat, 7. Jul 12, 20:56 Post subject: |
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| Litcube wrote: |
| The larger problem I've identified in a long dead thread around these parts is that ammo based firing code sends ships into a 0 m/s bug if there's enough ammo based weapons firing in the current active sector. |
Yes, that's the one.
What is a "0 m/s bug"?
What is a "dead thread" when discussing a decade-old game? Most of the good information here is several years old.
I'm not as fancy as you... I just know that they don't always work OOS. In fact, the presence of ammunition-based weapons seems to make *all* guns on the ship not fire correctly when OOS (even with abundant ammo). I don't know why, but I tested it pretty thoroughly. You gave me the idea to eliminate ammo, and it works perfectly!
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kurush
  
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| Posted: Sat, 7. Jul 12, 21:16 Post subject: |
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| DrBullwinkle wrote: |
I'm not as fancy as you... I just know that they don't always work OOS. In fact, the presence of ammunition-based weapons seems to make *all* guns on the ship not fire correctly when OOS (even with abundant ammo). I don't know why, but I tested it pretty thoroughly. |
Is the issue still present in AP? I have a huge patrol in Zyart Dominion that is basically a xenon sector in AP and half of this patrol is Vidars and Valis equipped with M/AM launchers. They seem to work fine and consume ammunition (judging by my supply ship showing up in that sector from time to time)
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TonyEvans
Joined: 15 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Sun, 8. Jul 12, 00:12 Post subject: |
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| kurush wrote: |
| DrBullwinkle wrote: |
I'm not as fancy as you... I just know that they don't always work OOS. In fact, the presence of ammunition-based weapons seems to make *all* guns on the ship not fire correctly when OOS (even with abundant ammo). I don't know why, but I tested it pretty thoroughly. |
Is the issue still present in AP? I have a huge patrol in Zyart Dominion that is basically a xenon sector in AP and half of this patrol is Vidars and Valis equipped with M/AM launchers. They seem to work fine and consume ammunition (judging by my supply ship showing up in that sector from time to time) |
How do you get ships to resupply other ones automatically? I can only do it manually... so I generally load my ships with weapons that have no ammo
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kurush
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| Posted: Sun, 8. Jul 12, 01:38 Post subject: |
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| TonyEvans wrote: |
How do you get ships to resupply other ones automatically? I can only do it manually... so I generally load my ships with weapons that have no ammo |
I use CLS2 for this. On your original question, if I understand it correctly, you should be able to set your resupply amount for one ship and then there is a command in the same window to transfer settings to all ships in the same wing. I think it transfers resupply counts for both missiles and ammunition.
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jack775544
Joined: 13 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Sun, 8. Jul 12, 01:40 Post subject: |
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| DrBullwinkle wrote: |
| Litcube wrote: |
| The larger problem I've identified in a long dead thread around these parts is that ammo based firing code sends ships into a 0 m/s bug if there's enough ammo based weapons firing in the current active sector. |
Yes, that's the one.
What is a "0 m/s bug"?
What is a "dead thread" when discussing a decade-old game? Most of the good information here is several years old.
I'm not as fancy as you... I just know that they don't always work OOS. In fact, the presence of ammunition-based weapons seems to make *all* guns on the ship not fire correctly when OOS (even with abundant ammo). I don't know why, but I tested it pretty thoroughly. You gave me the idea to eliminate ammo, and it works perfectly!
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There is some info about it here and here
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DrBullwinkle
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| Posted: Sun, 8. Jul 12, 04:12 Post subject: |
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| jack775544 wrote: |
| There is some info about [the 0 m/s bug] here and here |
That second link gives a plausible explanation that matches my experience, which is that the OOS combat performance is inconsistent when a ship has at least one ammunition-based gun. Sometimes all guns work correctly, and sometimes none of them work.
Litcube explains that all turrets on the ship may stall when the ammunition-based turret is too busy. (Really all scripts may slow to a crawl because the priority of the ammunition-based gun is too high.)
Yes, it is an old thread. But has the issue been fixed?
For sure, eliminating ammunition solves the problem.
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jack775544
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| Posted: Sun, 8. Jul 12, 04:23 Post subject: |
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I don't think it has been fixed as I remember jack08 saying he had to remove ammo based weapons from XTL because of this bug and when he tried to solve this problem using KC edits he had no luck.
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leko
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| Posted: Wed, 21. Nov 12, 00:51 Post subject: |
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| DrBullwinkle wrote: |
| Eliminating ammunition... . |
Hi, DrBullwinkle and everyone,
I just did that, works fine ! (AP)
Just a pity no one wants to buy my ammo left-overs now !
Maybe it will improve my "in war sector fps", who knows, gonna test it !
Thank you for the little "tut" ! Leko
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